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Message: 6558
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Sysop address
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 19:44:49
If I should want to get into a few different SIGs, how do I do that?
The program tells me to write to the Sysop. Must I send U.S. Postal service
mail, or is there an address here on the board I can use to send msg to
Sysop? Or maybe I just go on as heretofore? ? ?
Message: 6559
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Writers Cramp
Subject: Figments
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 20:27:42
You don't exist either until I decide to allow my computer to
call and tell me otherwise. It does a daily reality check on you
to see if you're still around. After all, the great GOD U.S. WEST could
pull your realism right out from under you...;-)
Message: 6560
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: John Cummings
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 20:57:28
John, there is a ost office cmd you can use to send any user
PRIVATE mail, including me (the SYSOP).... It is also listed in the elp
files. SO, give the cmd a try!
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Message: 6561
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 10:04:26
Thanks for imagining such a nice weekend for me.
See You Later,
Dean H.
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Message: 3856
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer !
Subject: last
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 20:43:47
No, Harllan....as in Brain-dead Ellison. The Sci-Fi Author.
"A Boy and his dog" "Dangerous visions" etc etc etc
Ellisonics;
The Study of loud-mouthed micro-organisms.
If I were to pull a trigger on anybody in my life, heaven forbid I do
to begin with, first on my list is Dennis DeConcini..next is this
shit-for-lack-of-brains openly psychopathic bed wetter and grandtsanding
masturbator. Instead of the full metal jacketed slug however,
I would doctor the case and make my own custom slug. An alloy between
silver and lead (pewter) with a large cavity full of mercury.
Using a 30-06 in this fashion would tend to blow someone's head apart
much like the effect when a full balloon is introduced to a pin.
I have a low opinion of it.
I can imagine and dream and think terrible thoughts, but I am guilty
of neither till the day they read my mind.
Message: 3857
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 12:34:59
Ellison Wonderland was the name of one of his anthologies.
Message: 3858
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer !
Subject: last
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 01:12:53
Isn't that special?
His very own Wunderland.
Message: 3859
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 21:15:02
No thanks to Lewis Carroll.
Message: 3860
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
Subject: X-Rated
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 22:34:44
If the stork delivers white babies, and the wren delivers black babies and
the robin delivers chinese babies, who delivers no babies???\
The SWALLOW...
" The ATARI WILDCAT " Steven Carls
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Message: 750
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Review
Subject: Chaplin
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 20:14:56
Wow. That was the first Chaplin film I had ever seen and I don't know how
I could have gone through my life, being as interested in movies as I am,
and not have seen one before. He really is a master of mime and direction.
His "Hitler" (Henkyl) was great with the ranting of mock German. This was
his first film in which he spoke and he seemed to want to make a real
political statement. His speech at the end of the movie was broadcasted
over the radio as a seperate speech. Very strong words from a quiet man.
Message: 751
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Dean 4/4
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 20:49:25
Thanks for the well written review. I figured as much like Ann.
I will be in line in about 2 weeks; 1 week after the scheduled release
of TOTAL RECALL. I seem to have total recall of what such a mass
following and much publicized film will do to a theatre on opening
day. I sat in line at Cine' Capri about 10 years ago for the 2nd
installment of the Star Wars trilogy . It took me 4 hours and 900 feet
to get a seat in the next to last front row.
I predict that the opening few days will be utter mayhem.
I have a nice excursion to 4 peaks planned for that Sunday and a
gun class on Saturday. Schwartznegger can wait.
Message: 752
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: BackToTheFuture
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 10:10:18
I finally rented part 2, now that part 3 is out. I liked part 2, but I am
glad I waited until 3 was available to watch right away because of the way
they left the time travelers seperately stranded in the past at the end. I
will probably need to hurry up and see part3 before it leaves the Cine
Capri.
See You Later,
Dean H.
Message: 753
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Dean/review
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 18:04:17
Superb review! Let's assasinate Bob Fenster. Mike?
Message: 754
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Trivia
Subject: Who is
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 01:13:42
Bob Fenster anyway?
Message: 755
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Dean/BCTF
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 05:23:55
The need of the people to see part 3 immediately, or at least very soon,
was probably what t producers had in mind when they released part 2 to video
on the day before part 3 showed up at the theaters. I feel the same way. I
hate movies that end in the middle!
Message: 756
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Junk Culture
Subject: Bob Fenster
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 21:56:14
... is the movie reviewer for the Arizona Repugnant.
Message: 757
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Fire Birds
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 15:55:11
My boys took me to this movie for my birthday. I love chopper
movies and I totaly enjoyed this one.
Thanks Tyler and Travis!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=* or Papa Cliff
Message: 758
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Review
Subject: Bird on a Wire
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 22:28:13
Worth what I paid to see it (nothing). To be fair, it did move along fairly
well, but it seemed to have a hard time choosing between being a light
romantic comedy and a thriller. As a result, the filmmakers chose to
introduce levity (really lame stuff, too) at just the right moments to
destroy what little tension had been built up. The soundtrack didn't help
either. It was heavy handed and solemn, in a pretentious, melodramatic way.
I also think that the writers need to pull their head out of the sixties.
BTW, those were Goldy's pert little haunches. Yummy.
Message: 759
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Review
Subject: The Package
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 17:53:39
I rented the video. It was better than I expected. A good movie with lots
of action and suspense. I recommend it.
Message: 760
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Review
Subject: Total Recall
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 01:56:25
On a scale of one to five stars, this film rates -- ten stars.
This is one of the best, and one of the most original films I have seen in
my life. I would, and will, pay to see it again.
Two suggestions: Don't drink coffee or other diaretics (sp?) before you go.
I held a bladder full of piss longer than I ever had before in my life.
When the movie ended and I got up, I had cramps and my lower stomach stuck
out an inch and a half. Nevertheless, it was worth it: there is absolutely
no part of the film which provides time enough to leave the theatre -- and
not miss something important. It is an action film, and of course you'd
miss the action, but more importantly, you'd miss some important plot clue
-- it's also a film of ideas -- and how! Add excellent acting by Arnie
along with some rather unusual and well-executed special effects, and you've
got a top-notch film.
My other suggestion? Don't read reviews. Don't listen to reviews from
friends -- no matter how much they insist that they won't give anything
away. You need to see this film with as few preconceptions as possible.
There are surprises aplenty.
Message: 761
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Total Recall
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 04:15:43
I thought the ending sequence was a bit goofy, but otherwise I enjoyed the
film.
Message: 762
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Review
Subject: Look Who's Talking
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 04:50:58
A somewhat unique and refreshing approach to comedy, it depicts many
situations as they might appear throgh the eyes (and words) of an infant
from birth up to about 2 years old. Lots of laughs. Well worth the watching.
(Thanks for the revies on Total Recall. I'm not an Arnie fan, but will put
that one high on my list of musts.)
Message: 763
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Jeff Beck
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 08:38:34
Thanks for the info on 'Total Recall'.... on your recommendation, I
am going to see this ASAP. I generally do NOT see films by Arnie S.
clif-
Message: 764
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Jeff on Total Recall
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 15:17:37
Nice review. You make me drool to see it. I don't think I will wait until
it's in the video stores either. All the critics I've read give it the full
stars - one said it rated along with The Terminator and Aliens (2) - two of
my favorit movies. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 765
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliffy/last
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 15:22:34
You mean you have not seen the Ternimator, Preditor, Running man, Twins, Raw
Deal, Commando, etc. etc.???? Baaaaaaad!!!! I recommend Pumping Iron too.
-=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 766
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 15:46:41
I see them when they make it to the video rental stores. I generaly
do not waste my money seeing Mr. S. at the first run theaters. I will say
his movies have gotten better over the last few years...Twins was nice as a
rental (worth the 3 bucks for the whole family to see it)
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Message: 1805
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Insomniac & inspired
Subject: bah!
Date: 05/22/90 Time: 00:35:21
My roommate is sitting at my right shoulder, consuming iced tea, with a
carcinogenic sweetener. I find it difficult to post messages with him
looking on. He says, "I'm glad to hear that. Now maybe there will be more
intelligent conversation." (This is punctuated by a lot of self-satisfied
chuckling.)
If I had a hammer, I'd hammer in the morning, I'd hammer in the evening, all
over the second step of this trailer, a step which is more than slightly
moribund.
P.S. Roger: what does "compact" mean with reference to a set, or a space?
Message: 1806
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Zippy
Date: 05/22/90 Time: 00:39:09
He's made the Sunday comics. What's next? (I understand that there will
soon be a Zippy motion picture -- no foolin'.)
Is it just me, or does anyone else feel that Zippy has become largely
superfluous in the latest strips? It would seem that Zippy has gone from
comic genius and master of the surreal non-sequitur, to a straight man,
setting up lines for Griffy's whiny, self-indulgent social satires.
Message: 1807
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Answer!
Subject: What's next
Date: 05/23/90 Time: 23:26:21
Loony Tunes are coming back -- 130 new cartoons will be made by Warner Bros.
for use by AMC as shorts before feature films.
Message: 1808
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Insomniac & inspired
Subject: Loons,Tunes & Goons
Date: 05/24/90 Time: 00:59:22
Whatever happened to Jonathan Brandmeyer's LOONS ?
The snowbird song from the 80's et al ?
As far as the Looney Tunes are concerned, I applaud that...these
audiences need to be educated.
;-0
If someone has a copy of the Snowbird song...set to the tune of a
song that escapes me..I remember the tune..not the name...
Jonny was on KZZP back in '81-82....
Let me know..I'd very much like a copy.
Message: 1809
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Beau/1807
Date: 05/24/90 Time: 23:14:52
It will be interesting to see if they meet the caliber of classic WB
cartoons. Most of the stuff created for television was dreadful, especially
in animation, secondly in story line.
Message: 1810
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mike C/Brandmeier
Date: 05/24/90 Time: 23:16:04
I think I have a copy around here somewhere on 45.
Message: 1811
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Insomniac & inspired
Subject: yeah well
Date: 05/25/90 Time: 23:35:08
but so like HEY
and he danced backward and backward and back
to the last grown horse
that began to fly as it did
"die!" she yelled as she fell into
Hell - it's own heat set the beat to the street where they did
meat that is ground and
"Pound it in to me" she whispered with breathe that
begged and pleaded to be scratched with the
knife of his
wife, the cook the thief and the
love that came between their
legs and runnth over her soft hair that
she bare ask if he dare to stare
into those wells that held tales of the
ankles with shakles and shakes with the clanks
of the shanks of the ass of the
balls as they dance to the song of the
moon that rose full as her 'loon
with the knowledge that soon
in this 'toon
was her doom.
Message: 1812
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Question?
Subject: last
Date: 05/26/90 Time: 00:01:06
Have you been sleeping with "Heavy D" again?
Message: 1813
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Just a "let you know
Date: 05/26/90 Time: 01:29:47
But this SIG is open to ALL $tatus users who can log on late...
So do NOT get carried away with too many XXX Rated posts... Okay guys?
This is just a double XX Rated SIG, not triple XXX
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 1814
Author: $ Steven Carls
Category: Answer!
Subject: Brandmeir
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 00:10:42
Brandmeir got an offer from the LOOP, a Chicago radio station. The offer
was in the vacinity of $250,000. He didn't do as weel as the radio station
had originally thought. He has his following and he still writes comical
songs.
" The ATARI WILDCAT " Steven Carls
Message: 1815
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Question?
Subject: This SIG
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 03:54:12
I was under the impression that *anyone* of any age can get into
this sig as long as they are a $tatus user.
I would be personally offended by the garbage that Melissa posted
back a few if I had a younger son or daughter logging on here
and running across that message.
I think, much like the PUBLIC board, that this SIG should be kept
clean and family oriented unless you otherwise post and warn.
There is no such warning about the ATE night SIG.
I feel that message should be ZAPPED.
Its garbage.
Message: 1816
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Night-Life
Subject: Brandmeier
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 03:56:56
Yeah, I remember when he left for Chicago and some months later he
was featured on somebody's daytime show or something...maybe donahue
or Geraldo or whoever it was back then.
I definitely would like to get a copy of the song from you Daryl.
I was mentioning it to my wife after I posted that message and
she expressed that it would be nice to have it as well because she
remembers him too.
Thanks in advance.
You have my #..call!
-Mike
Message: 1817
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mike
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 23:30:50
You would let your children be up e at night to read Apollo???
Message: 1818
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Looney Toons
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 23:32:05
Well, considering that the main theme of those old cartoons was _violence_,
I am wondering if they are going to change that for the new ones. Also,
will they keep Bugs, Porky, Daffy, et al, or will a new set of characters be
created for the (non-violent?) new toons?
Message: 1819
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Beau/Mike/Kids
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 00:05:42
Oh God. Let's hope it hasn't reproduced.
Message: 1820
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Question?
Subject: Jeff
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 00:07:11
What is Heavy D? Is that some new rap group or something?
Message: 1821
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Melissa
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 01:26:58
Garsh, I dunno! Lemme check my Encyclopedia o' hip-hop.
Message: 1822
Author: $ Spaz Brown
Category: Insomniac & inspired
Subject: Dee's poem
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 23:09:01
I want royalties for the use of "the void." I do have the trademark, you
know.
HB
Message: 1823
Author: $ Spaz Brown
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff & X-rating
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 23:12:09
So what, if ANYTHING, has been X-rated? I don't think the words "balls" and
"ass" qualify. You can hear them in ag & anatomy classes. Such
sensitivity.
HB
Message: 1824
Author: $ Spaz Brown
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Brandmier
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 23:13:52
Sorry about the misspelling, but he goes by Johnny B now and I never see his
last name. Caught him in concert in Alpine, Wisconsin, in the summer of '88
-- wasn't a bad show. He certainly had a following there. The Loop is a
fairly successful station, even in the Chicago meat market.
HB
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Message: 66055
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Veteran's Day?
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 18:53:59
All of those war holidays just seem to merge together, you know?
Message: 66056
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff/Max
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 19:22:38
Hey, I kinda like Mad Max--I liked Thomas Aquinas and Aristotle,
too, but Mad Max is not too bad. Matter of fact, my son is finishing up four
years in Schweinfurt, W. Germany, and he has a similar opinion: to wit, that
the E. Germans have bveen spoiled by forty years of Communism, and now they
are lazy slobs who want the welfare state to take care of them. The worst
of it is, according to my son, they drive the E. German car, the Trabanti,
on the autobahn, at top speed or 55 miles per hour, and they don't move
aside for a Porsche. Or even for my son's Mustang at 130 m.p.h.
John C.
Message: 66057
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Dean/ Drugs
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 19:32:27
It makes a better argument if you DO give it some thought. I submit
that substance abusers have a diminished capacity, and they commit not only
a crime (by using) but an obscene fraud by pretending that they are
straight when they work on those devices (or really, even if they drive
street sweepers.) The key here is the substance abuse, and their lying about
it. If they do use, they should be in positions which do not endanger the
lives of people who trust them. The country has the right to test those
people who are in a pohition to harm others, just as the country has the
right to demand testing before issuing driver's licences, etc. Those who do
not want the test should not drive or snort, or smoke, or shoot up,OR they
should go somewhere where they are allowed to do so. I understand Columbia
just elected a hard liner anti-drug president, though, so Dean, I don't know
what to recommend.
John C.
Message: 66059
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: x and not x
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 20:16:33
"I came here for an arguement!"
"No you didn't."
Message: 66060
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: News Today
Subject: DeConcini
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 20:22:49
Did anyone watch channel 3 News at 6pm this evening?
Did you hear what Dennis said about his proposed anti-gun law?
He said; "It's not an anti-gun law..it's an anti-drug law.."
Funny, this SKS 7.62 x 39 is the funniest looking key of coke I ever
did see.
Right after that they interviewed my ugly mug. I taped it for
prosperity when and if we go to a state of revolution..the
cops and pro-goverment supression types will know who to kill first.
I hope Dennis gets what is comming to him.
Message: 66061
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: War!
Subject: And YOU
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 20:25:57
I really think anyone who complains about losing rights of gun ownership
useage and associated gun genre should shut up after todays miserable
showing.
If you're too damn busy well you're too damn busy to keep your rights.
Don;t squawk when they make ownership illegal..you definitely WERE NOT
there today.
Did you even call DeConcini's offices in Washington?
Probably not eh? After all..it's a long distance call.
Yellow bellied pile of gum bashers.
Message: 66062
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gary/Memorial/Vet
Date: 05/28/90 Time: 21:44:27
Yes Gary, how silly of me to confuse the two. How could I forget
the eleventh month, eleventh day, eleventh hour...... Sorry if I got
carried away....but it was to honor people and not WAR!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66063
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: lines and points
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 00:41:05
From the Penguin Dictionary of Mathematics:
"Continuum (plural continua) A compact connected set: a set of elements
between which a third [element in the same set] can always be inserted. The
real numbers form a continuum. For a line stretching from an origin to
infinity, every point on the line corresponds to a real number, and every
real number corresponds to a point on the line. The points form a continuum
in one dimension of space. Time can also be regarded as a continuum."
Please take note of the phrase "the points form a continuum".
The terms "compact" and "connected" have a very precise mathematical
meaning. I'm still working on trying to understand them. I'll elucidate
when I do.
Message: 66064
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: open and closed sets
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 00:52:40
From the same dictionary:
"Closed set (of points) A set A is closed if it contains all its limit
points. For example, the points corresponding to the real numbers equal to
or greater than zero and equal to or less than 1 constitute a closed set."
"Open set (of points) A set of points A is open if every point that is a
member of A has a neighborhood completely in the set A. For example, the
points corresponding to the real numbers greater than zero and less than one
constitute an open set."
Note, however, that this is not the same as an open/closed/partially open or
closed interval. There is a key difference between containing all limit
points and containing end points, as well as a key difference between not
containing end points and all points having a neighborhood entirely in the
set.
An infinite plane, for example, is both open and closed. It contains all
its points, and therefore its limit points, and so is closed. But every
point on the plane has a neighborhood entirely in the set of points in the
plane, and so it is also open. This assumes, of course, a planar universe.
To illustrate the importance of the relative dimensions of a set (or
subspace) and the space in which it is defined, take the set of real numbers
greater than zero and less than one along the real number line.
(CONT.)
Message: 66065
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: CONT.(last)
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 00:56:34
Now, this set clearly does not contain all of its limit points, chiefly,
zero and one. In a 1 dimensional space it is open, because every point in
the set has a neighborhood entirely in the set. It is not closed, either,
because it does not contain all its limit points. Put it in a space of
higher dimension, say, place the real number line in the complex plane, and
the set is no longer open, because no point in the interval (0,1) has a
neighborhood entirely within the set. The set is neither open nor closed.
Message: 66066
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Answer!
Subject: melissa/arg
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 07:53:11
Oh, yes I did.
Message: 66067
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Roger/arg
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 09:58:26
No you didn't!
Message: 66068
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Cummings
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 10:34:03
A driver's license exam is a test of performance. A drug test is search
and seizure without probable cause. One does not excuse the other. A
performance based test for diminished capacity would serve to detect any
substance abuse which affected people on the job, but it is not being pushed
by the government because it would not serve their real agenda, big brother
in the workplace. People who favor drug testing for everyone seem to be
motivated more by a loathing of anyone who might be doing something on
their own time that society disapproves of than by any real concern for
safety.
If the focus were really safety, as so many claim, then non-invasive
measures which would assure safety would be touted for those who are in
positions to cause great harm. Instead, massive chemical analysis is
demanded for everyone. This demonstrates the true motive behind drug
testing, it is control and intimidation.
Drug testing sounds better the more you think about it only if what you
really desire is a society conditioned to accept the assumption of guilt
until proven innocent.
See You Later,
Dean H.
Message: 66069
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mike C.
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 10:43:15
I accept your criticism. I should have been there, but I stayed up late
and didn't wake up until 10:30. I have written and called his office,
and the impression I get is that they couldn't care less what Arizonan's
think.
A big turnout and television coverage might influence somebody somewhere,
even if it probably won't be Dennis. I remember the big rally I went to a
while back. There was a huge turnout from all over the state, and many great
speakers, including the Attorney General and other politicians. The TV
coverage focused on the worst dressed, least intelligible, attendees and
carried none of the points made by the speakers at all. It was worthwhile
for the contacts that were made and the people I registered to vote, but it
gave me the impression that we can't expect to get our message out through
the media.
See You Later,
Dean H.
Message: 66070
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Answer!
Subject: Melissa/arg
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 11:08:16
I distinctly remember coming here for the express purpose of argumentation.
Message: 66071
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: J.Beck
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 16:07:49
First of all let me say I'm sorry for any words that might slip out
Who the hell are you to tell me I'm insecure? Are you a phycology proffessor
or what if you are that still doent make you the ultimate authority. That
nickname was given to me by so dear friends a long time ago, and I happend
to like it, so dont judge my damm intelligence, I am halfways educatted, and
in the proccess of getting more of it. I resent your statements you made
about me ie. how much does a person with a nickname like Mad Max know.
Are you so smart that you can look down on a person just because of a
nickname? Have you ever meet me? No I didnt think so, so dont say things you
know nothing about. Now if you ever should be so fortunate as to meet me in
person, then you can make a judgement about me. Well I better not say
anything else, I'm to mad.
Bye and see you all later
T H E M A D M A X ( and proud of it )
Message: 66072
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roddy
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 16:30:08
Re: "Are "alcohol babies" okay?"
I'm not sure what an "alcohol baby" is? I haven't heard that there was a
problem on the level that there is with cocaine babies. In answer to your
question, I would think that anything that would cause pain and suffering to
a baby would be wrong. And I don't see abortion as a solution. I am aware
of the cocaine problem around the turn of the century. One of the weekly
news magazines had a big write up on it a while back. It was Insight.
Message: 66073
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mad Max
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 16:35:39
Re: "I am halfways educatted"
Spelling obviously wasn't in the half you received!
:-) (-: :-) (-: :-) :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-:
:-) (-: :-) (-: :-) :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-:
Message: 66074
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Opposites
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 16:57:31
Where would you place matter and energy? Motion and position? Momentum and
Energy? Wave nature and particle nature? Past and present? Are these
opposites or "contraries" or different aspects of the same central "thing."
Mysticism, science, and religion are not seeking different truths. There is
just one truth. There is no conflict between science and religion, just
between new science and old science-wrapped-in-dogma. We need to think, in
our Spiritual and in our Scientific search for truth, less about opposites
and more about how what appear to be opposites are really different aspects
of the same. Truth and falsehood my be as exclusive as waves and particles,
but that is to say humans are excluded from seeing both at the same time,
not that both do not exist. We can set up a lab to make electrons act like
waves and another to make them act like particles, never both-at-once. Still
they ARE both at once. Heisenberg may have been here. Truth and falshood are
both aspects of the search for the attribute whose different faces we have
named "Truth" and "Falsehood," still it is ONE attribute, not two.
. /\\
. {@.@}
. )"( Mike
Message: 66075
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Answer!
Subject: Measurement
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 17:03:32
You are still trying to obtain the length of an interval by integrating the
points along that interval instead of just subtracting the initial from the
final condition. The points may represent rationals or irrationals, no
matter, that has nothing to do with measuring the length of the interval at
all. Points have NO dimension, you can't pile enough of them
shoulder-to-shoulder to mean anything. I think that is where you are
confusing yourself. Thanks for the info on the Lebesque Integral. I am 20
years away from my last ADvanced Analysis class in college and admit to
having forgotten much. I captured your post and will study and respond as I
can later. Still, don't try to "account for" the length of an interval by
"accounting for" all the points on the line. That would be an endless
search.
Mike
Message: 66076
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pie versus Pi
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 17:08:30
Yes, what you say may be true, but it was a tasty piece of fresh peach pie.
I thought we were talking about Euclidean points. We weren't? Gosh, if you
want to get non-Eucledian on me we can do anything we want to, all in how we
define things, right? Do "your" points have a limit of "closeness" or
neighborhood around which or into which other points are forbidden?
Interesting... well, back to the pie... Hmmmmm I can sure differentiate
between home made and store bought!
. /\\
. {@.@}
. )"( Mike
Message: 66077
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Jeff Lochansky
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 17:22:33
Whatever. The point is, if you kick a dog, you're asking to get bitten. I
don't like people telling me what to post (or what not to post) so long as
the topic is within the bounds of what is allowed by the sysop for that
particular area.
You don't like people telling you you're insecure or childish, I don't like
people telling me to shut up because I'm such a bloody bore.
Message: 66078
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: alchohol babies
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 17:23:24
Fetal alcohol syndrome is the third leading cause of infant defects.
Cocaine doesn't even come close. After all, there are far more alcoholics
than there are coke addicts.
Message: 66079
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike/opposites
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 17:29:25
You give me complete, specific definitions of those things and I will tell
you how they should be classified.
Certainly, things that *appear* to be "opposites" might not in fact be
"opposites," but then, we're talking about contraries and contradictories,
not pseudo-opposites.
Message: 66080
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike/points
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 17:34:00
I suggest that you reread my messages on continua. There is nothing new or
controversial about the definitions I gave. See also my next posts.
Points in and of themselves have no dimension. No finite or enumerably
infinite aggregation of points has dimension. A non-enumerably infinite,
compact, connected set, such as the set of real numbers, HAS dimension. It
is a continuum in one dimension. Which part of the real line is not a
point?
Message: 66081
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike/Euclidian
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 17:35:22
We were talking about Euclidian points. That is why your pie analogy was
inappropriate.
Message: 66082
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Continua
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 17:45:08
Continuum: a compact connected set. The real numbers form a continuum. For
a line stretching from an origin to infinity, every point on the line
corresponds to a real number and every real number corresponds to a point on
the line. The points form a continuum in one dimension. There is no part
of the interval which is not a real number, and therefore it is composed of
points, packed in a compact, connected manner. The concept of zero
magnitude does not preclude continuity in this case.
Connected: a set A is connected if there do not exist disjoint nonempty
subsets of A (X and Y) such that the union of X and Y = A, and such that X
contains no limit points of Y and Y contains no limit points of X.
Intuitively, this means that the set is all in one piece.
Two sets are disjoint if they have no common members (that is, if the
intersection of the two sets is the null set). I can think of many pairs of
disjoint nonempty subsets of the real number set R whose sum is R. One such
pair are the subsets X and Y of the rationals and the irrationals. Another
pair are the subsets X and Y of the algebraic numbers and the transcendental
numbers. However, in each case, X contains limit points of Y, and vice
versa. In fact, in the first case (and I believe in the second) *every*
point of X is a limit point of Y and the reverse is also true. Therefore, R
is connected.
CONT.
Message: 66083
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: continua (CONT.)
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 17:50:42
The set of rationals (S*1) on the other hand is not connected. For example,
the set S*1 can be divided into two subsets consisting of those rationals
less than the square root of two, and those rationals greater than the
square root of two. These subsets sum to S*1, they are nonempty, and they
are disjoint, and neither one contains a limit point of the other.
Therefore, S*1 is disconnected. The set of rationals is, however, *dense*
in itself because every neighborhood of any point of the set contains
another point of the set (in other words, it is a set composed entirely of
limit points, sometimes called a perfect set).
Compact: a set S is compact if every infinite subset of S (every subset of
S with an infinite number of points) has a limit point in the set S.
Obviously, the set R of real numbers is compact: every infinite subset of R
must have a limit point in the set, because R is perfect.
Message: 66084
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mike/perception
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 19:49:33
I think that your difficulty comes from the attempt to use common sense
(rules of the finite realm) in the realm of the infinite. Common sense
dictates that size is a concept which belongs to the finite realm -- that
one does not speak of relative size between infinities. Yet I can
demonstrate that some infinities are bigger than others, and furthermore,
that there is an infinite hierarchy of infinities. Cantor's paradox
intrudes, however, at that point.
Message: 66085
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: B.Thornburg
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 21:48:01
Hey gus, you know how that is with use dumb krauts, I just forget to much
english when I'm mad, all my thinking is done in german. Have you ever tried
writing in english and thinking in german? Let me tell you it is not easy.
But I'll get better, I promise. 3 or 4 more years of college should do it.
Later on
THE MAD MAX
Message: 66086
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: J Cummings/answer
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 21:53:58
Hey dude, I'm glad you like my nickname. You are totally right about those
east Germans, my mom just talked to me a couple of days ago from the BRD and
said it was getting unberable over there. I guess the Russians just got
sick of footing the bill for those east germans, and figured us dumb west
germans would bail them out of the mess they where in. Believe me she tells
me not all roses smell good in Germany anymore. Tell me, have you ever been
in the BRD? I shure hope they get those east germans of the autobahn.
well thats if for now
THE MAD MAX
Message: 66087
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: My spelling
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 22:00:37
I shure am sorry I spell so bad.
Like we say in Germany:
I speak english very well,
aber es geht noch nicht so schnell.
What that means is I got my education in germany, but I'll try to get more
here. Since I am a disabled american vet (believe it or not) the VA told me
they were going to pay for my education. So I'll be able to spell better in
about 3-4 years.
See you all later
THE MAD MAX
Message: 66088
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: J.Beck
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 22:03:34
I was not trying to tell you not to write posts, I was trying to get other
people interested in an other topic.
By the way I shoot dogs that bite me, dead
Later dude
THE MAD MAX
Message: 66089
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff Lochansky
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 22:29:59
Hey Jeff... Do NOT fret over your English spelling. i think you are
doing rather well for a new user. I spell very poorly myself, and have
learned to just ignor the jabs while I keep trying. Just don't let it get
you down.
As for your "MAD MAX", I as SysOP have NO problem with that handle.
As for subject matter... That is up to the users for the most part.
If you have something you wish to talk about, just start posting an if
anyone is interested, they will or may respond. However, you should never
call another person's posts boring because YOU don't find it stimulating.
Just learn to use the [S]kip key. Just remember, You can't please all the
people, all the time.
And most important, just take things with a grain of salt and have
fun.
Hope to see you at the next GT (Get-Together)
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66090
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gun rally
Date: 05/29/90 Time: 23:28:05
Well, I considered going down to Dennis'. One thing that sort of put me off
was the suggestion that there would be some brick-throwing. However, I
really didn't plan to go, but did think about it several times.
Message: 66091
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Brick-throwing
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 00:46:37
It was said in jest I am sure. The 'cop-out' however, sorta puts me
off. I guess your 'rights' are not worth the effort?
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66092
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Weapon Basic
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 00:49:47
This Saturday.... I would like to know who will be going that
would like to borrow a weapon and just how much ammo I have to make up for
the Saturday class. If you are just going for the morning lecture, you will
not need a weapon.
clif-
Message: 66093
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff / Dog
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 01:27:41
B. Dog is not much unlike many in this and other States who want to
care but can't. They are indeed incapable. Until it affects someone
personally, it will mean nothing to them. In that fashion, I think
anyone who doesn't care should at least be honest about it.
There's a poem I ran accross a while back. I fail to find it now when it
would be appropriate, but it was words to the effect of;
"They came and took the Germans today...ohh well, I'm not German anyway"
"They came and took the jews today..ohh well, I'm not Jewish either.."
"They came and took the Gun owners today..ohh well, I don't like guns.."
"They came and took the Afghanni's today..ohh well, I'm American.."
"They came for me today and I tried to protest..but there was no one
left to march in my parade."
No, I don't see more than two or three people besides myself with enough
reason to figure out what can and ultimately will happen if they
pass this bill. Sure, it's like cream and sugar now..that's the way
they sell lemons. Deny it's even a gun law. DeConcini lied on National TV
the other night..how many are raising hell about it?
No.
I wrote my letters. I made my calls and I stood my ground and I will
live to hear the day these mindless sheep bleating for freedom and begging
for the power to regain it. Only then it's much much too late.
And all the "I told you so's" wont put America back together again.
Message: 66094
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Brick throwing
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 01:34:02
Yes, it was made in jest...and if it wasn't, if you don't feel
strong enough about your constitutional rights being ripped up in front
of your eyes to throw a brick, then don't buy a gun either. That kind
of spineless excuse is exactly what the Senators are hoping for.
My old man was right. He said the crap in the gene pool would float
to the surface, yellow belly side up. They'd croak and cringe and
ask for legislative hand-outs because they can't handle the workload
of generations before them.
If you're too yellow to hold a sign, voice your opinion in full view of
the public and your detractors, go swim back to your deep dark hole
and stay there. The next ten years promises to be a real dandy decade...
Message: 66096
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 09:25:15
Funny how Dean was saying that the media always puts on these zelots to make
the anti-gun control side look crazy. Then I hear that that Channel 3
picked you to interview, the "just in jest" brick thrower who now is
stating that one is spineless unless they do so.
I didn't know about the rally/protest until it was happening but the reason
I didn't go and would not go is because I don't want to be associated with
people like you who sound like they are ready to shoot anyone who doesn't
agree with them. Maybe you are kidding, Mike, but I would not feel safe
alone with you and your gun.
(Note: I didn't not say I didn't want to be associated with Cliff or Sandy
or Dean or Beau. I only singled out one person for his behavior)
Message: 66097
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: MIke
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 09:26:06
And by the way, if you think my writing is "garbage" why not skip my
messages? That's what I do with yours.
Message: 66098
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: GT's
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 10:36:05
I hear a lot about GT'S, where are they and when? I would shure like to
attend. I'd love to meet some of the folks I spend so much time talking to.
See you all later
THE MAD MAX
Message: 66099
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: LAST
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 11:18:15
Work is progressing on a video compilation of past GT's. I would like to
host a GT at my place to present it when it is done. I don't know for sure
when that will be, but I will keep you posted.
See You Later,
Dean H.
Message: 66100
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa Dee
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 12:25:30
I'm not advocating throwing bricks into windows. Since you're incapable
of responsding rationally due to your emotional handicap, you should
re-read my posts before attempting to put words in my mouth.
Your inference of zealotry is about standard for someone with
no idea of what was said, the reasons behind it or the cuase for which
it has all been done. If I'm to be branded a zealot by a porn Queen
that's o.k.. I just consider the source is all.
If I'm branded a zealot for voicing my opinion on a news cast that's
just fine as well...I at least have the intestinal fortitude to do
so , unlike Melissa here who instead of listening before she mouths
off about something automatically labels it without knowing anything
about it. You are a mis-informed zealot yourself. I know the reason
for which I stood, you, however, have made a totally un-informed
attack based soley on presumption and assumptions. That is zealotry.
This is what our society is made up of. A bunch of wheezing and
frightened flaming liberals who strike out blindly at anything which
threatens their lifestyle. Imagined forces of evil out to steal their
cabbage patch dolls and shoot them with semi-automatic weapons.
You're right about one thing, Melissa; You should be afraid of me with
my gun..because I will use it against anyone who attacks me with like
force. I'm no push-over and I *will* keep my freedom. Keep your fear,
its the only thing you have that is real.
Message: 66101
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Melissa
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 12:36:21
My opinion of your messages remains unchanged.
Nor can you do anything about it.
Welcome to America.
Message: 66102
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pseudo semi opposite
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 12:54:14
Well, I really can't define the prerequisite information to discuss the
Hiesenberg Uncertanity Principle with you on this BBS. I am limited as to
time, number of posts, and the like here. There is a free public BBS where
we can have this conversation with unlimited posts, 99 lines long, a good
editor, and no fee. 938-6866. COnsider this an invitation.
Mike
Message: 66103
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Continua - ation
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 12:56:48
I agree with your definition of a continua and of the connected set of real
numbers being one. No problem there. Doesn't that answer your original
question? Is the question still on the floor? I think you answered yourself
totally and quite well. No arguement here at all. Congratulations.
. /\\
. {@.@}
. )"( Mike
Message: 66104
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Answer!
Subject: Peachy Analogies
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 13:05:35
Perhaps not inappropriate, just not well-stated. To integrate the function
to get the area under the curve is appropriate, right? That operation moves
us from the one-dimension of the line as a limit to each infinitesmal slice
of the area into the area itself; from one to two dimensions. Integration
always does that, moves us "up" one level. The top view of the pie sliceing
operation has lines to define the limits of the area of the top surface of
my too-small piece. Same.. good analogy... good pie, too. You seemed to be
trying to integrate the points along a line (no dimension) and come up with
the length of the interval (1 dimension). I don't see how that can be done
as the points do not carry any information or functional relationship to
each other. The piece of pie does carry flavor, juice, pieces of crust and
fruit, etc. Now we are getting somewhere! Otherwise we are packing points
between each other all day only to find that as many as "fill" the entire
interval can STILL fit between the closest two with room for a billion more
to spare, not even having to squeeze them at all, then we start over and
still don't need vaseline. Points! they only label a location.
Is this an arguement or a discussion?
. /\\
. {@.@}
. )"( Mike
Message: 66105
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 15:43:23
Re: "Cocaine doesn't even come close."
I take your word for it that there are more alcohol babies then cocaine
babies. It makes sense that there are more people doing booze then people
doing cocaine. But, cocaine babies is a major problem today. I would say
the number is well into the hundreds if not the thousands. The newspaper
article I read probably gave numbers, but I don't remember them.
Message: 66106
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: War!
Subject: Jeff Lochansky
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 19:02:59
Bah. I blow cigar smoke in your face, sonny boy.
Now then, why don't you put on your Batman jammies, hunker down in front of
the boob-tube, and watch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles for the 437th time.
Message: 66107
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Uncertainty principl
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 19:16:33
Well, I have a general understanding of it. In effect, the observer has an
affect on that which he is observing, and therefore certain measurements are
necessarily innacurate. In particular, I believe that on a quantum level it
is impossible to get accurate (uninfluenced by observation) measurements of
the velocity AND position of particles. I am not sure, however, how this
would extend to our discussion of classifications and logic.
Unfortunately, and I am by no means implying that YOU of all people would
commit such a heinous act, the uncertainty principle, along with various
other relativity related concepts, have been stolen from their scientific
niche and applied innapropriately to various mystical concepts. This seems
to be commonplace: a (relatively) new and somewhat obscure scientific
concept is developed for a highly specific application, and metaphysicians,
mystics, and assorted other quacks, recognizing the potential of a concept
which is both respected by the establishment and commonly misunderstood,
apply the concept unscientifically toward illigitimate ends.
Message: 66108
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike/pie
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 19:23:55
I have your message printed out and will give it due consideration before
replying. At this moment I am preparing to see a 7:50pm movie (Bird On A
Wire.)
Message: 66109
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: $tatus users only
Subject: Roger/66070
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 19:31:05
AHA! Thotso.
:)
Message: 66110
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: $tatus users only
Subject: Dean/66099
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 19:34:53
Would be nice to include the video for the HVGT, but the problem is that it
hasn't been shot yet, and when it does, it will already be too late.
CHR--> :)
Message: 66111
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: War!
Subject: J.Beck
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 19:53:40
Gee, I'm past mutant ninja turtles, my moomy told me there was to much
violence. All she lets me watch now is US ARMY Ranger training films and
movies about homocidale maniacs. I'll gladly trad you my batman Jammies for
your Captain Kangoro outfit. Gee, I've gots to go, my mommy is calling and
telling me to put back my Mack 10, otherwise she wouldn't let me play with
my Uzi no more.
Later on sucker
THE MAD MAX
Message: 66112
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: J. Beck & Lochansky
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 20:14:48
Hey guys, what gives? I want you BOTH as users!
Ditto for the M. Dee & Carter feud.
Geesh, Only SysOp's are suppose to be GrUmPy!
Message: 66113
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: In search of
Subject: ... umbrellas
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 21:53:44
Well, the last time that it rained for a few days in Phoenix, I thought to
myself "no sweat, I ripped off JT's umbrella when I was in DC, I'll just use
that."
However, it had DISAPPEARED! It was *no where to be found* in the house.
All of the usual hiding places, even the logical hiding places, were lacking
umbrellas.
Today I went sailing, and left one set of keys (with the house key) in the
car, and kept a 'spare' key (just the car key) on my person. Well, I
couldn't find the keys when we were done, so I just blew them off. I
couldn't find them when we got home, so I just blew them off. Then, through
some real bad luck, we got locked out of the house *except for the car keys
which the car had stolen*. In my long search to find them (yes, the car
finally 'fessed up), I came across: JT's umbrella. Too bad that he lives in
NYC now or I could give it back to him in a few weeks.
Message: 66114
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: SYSOP request
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 22:17:10
I guess your right. I'm sorry didnt mean to offend anybody. I was just
trying to outdo him. Guess I got caried away a bit you know how that is with
use dumb folks( just kiding). I promise not to do it again because I enjoy
your board emensly ( propably spelled wrong(so what)). I think Apollo is by
far the best BBS in town and I wouldnt want to be locked out. Hey keep up
the great work Cliff (no I'm not kissing up).I prpably wouldnt complain
about those , what I thought was boring messages if I had more than 300 baud
But that might be solved in a vew days ( I think I found a good deal on a
new 383/st-16 awsome machine I'm in love with it) So wish me luck that my
credit rating is good enough to get it.
Honestly sorry
THE MAD MAX
Message: 66115
Author: John Groseclose
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beck vs. Lochansky?
Date: 05/30/90 Time: 22:34:44
I haven't seen anything like this since it was James Taranto and Nick
Ianuzzi vs. MYSELF! Hmmm. Seems like things don't change much, but the
names do.
BTW: Cliff, you don't happen to have the date I first logged on here, do
you? This was the first board I ever logged on, and I'd like to mention it
in the WAMUG newsletter article I'm writing.
ABTW: WAMUG = Whittier Area Macintosh Users Group
John Groseclose
Message: 66116
Author: $ Steve MacGregor
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mike/Continua
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 02:03:23
Actually, it was not a continua that was defined. It was a continuum.
It's the same as someone saying he has a criteria for something, when in
reality it's only a criterion. Or saying he's observed such-and-such a
phenomena, when it was a phenomenon. Or saying he wants a geese for
Christmas dinner instead of a turkey, when he really wants a goose.
=(O,O)= Hoot!
Message: 66117
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Groseclose
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 04:37:56
What a dweeb.
Message: 66118
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Answer!
Subject: peachy integration
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 07:57:21
Integration from a point to a line is easy. it can be represented by
the integral:
x1
( dx
)
x0
Message: 66119
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: beau/umbrellas
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 08:00:15
You have discovered one of very few cosmic principles. In order to find
a lost object, one must not look for it.
Message: 66120
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Steve/ua
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 08:02:00
But I feel like such a fool when I ask for datum.
Message: 66121
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John Groseclose
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 08:28:24
I looked you up in the database and I see you joined Apollo as a
$tatus user 01/26/85. You were 13 at that time. I am sure you did use the
system earlier, but that is the oldest date I have on record for you.
I hope this helps!
clif-
Message: 66122
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Vote
Subject: what next?
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 08:48:56
The current Vote should be ended soon. For those of you who seem
reluctant to use the ote feature, I really wish you would try it anyway.
I guarantee your selection is PRIVATE.
Anyone have a GOOD suggestion for a new ote?
Should OLD otes be stored somewhere for future viewing, in
addition to being placed as a new message on this lic board?
I am looking for input on this ote cmd for $tatus users, as I
would like to see more of you participate.
Apollo can be more fun when more of you add your two-cents worth.
Apollo would like to build up its membership, as we plan being around a long
time..... A VERY long time. For those of you who use other systems as
well, please post plugs for Apollo BBS where ever you can if the SysOp of
that system allows it. If Apollo is not listed in their ther Systems
list, please ask them to do so. I am always pleased to list ther systems
in mine when asked to do so. MOST SysOps do this with no problem.
If you are reading this and you are not YET a member, please
consider joining the Apollo Family if you LIKE what you see. However, if
you still choose not too, this is fine, all we want is you to have fun.
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66123
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 08:58:22
No problem, we just run the existing tape on one monitor, while recording
the event and outputting the new version to another monitor.
See You Later,
Dean H.
Message: 66124
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: J.T.
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 09:04:09
I still need to get a tape of that J.T. interview on television the other
night for my Apollo In The News segment. Does anyone have it recorded?
See You Later,
Dean H.
Message: 66125
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: War!
Subject: Mike
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 09:41:09
I am responding emotionally? Please! Your testostorone(SP?) is spewing
everywhere.
You just proved my point beautifully.
Thank you.
And thanks for the warning. Me and my 1st ammendment right will be sure to
stay clear of your second.
Message: 66126
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 09:43:58
How's this for a vote:
"Which is more objectional in our society
A. A Gun Zealot
B. A Porn Queen
C. A Dweeb
Message: 66127
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: last on Dee's Vote
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 10:28:46
D. A SysOp
Just what is a 'Dweeb' anyway?
Message: 66128
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: A Christmas Goose
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 20:35:33
Thank you again for correcting my plura in Greek-derivatived worda. I have
only eaten a goosum once. It was kind of fatty, but that made the meat
juicey. I usually like to have a nice ham on Christmas, but my mom and wife
make turkeys and roast beef, too. We have a choice of meata. Do you like
Christmas Goose?
. /\\
. {@.@}
. )"( Mike
Message: 66129
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Answer!
Subject: dx
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 20:38:54
Explain the meaning of the integral from x0 to x1 of dx. How's that end up a
line or anything? I get the integral from x0 to x1 of f(x)dx to be the area
under the curve just fine. Wouldn't the integral of just dx be just x? Teach
me here, Roger, I'm listening.
x1
( Mike(x)dx
)
x0
Message: 66130
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: War!
Subject: Mike M or C?
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 20:43:19
I realize that "Mike" here means Mike Carter, but I always have to figure it
out and since I totally disagree with his position on keeping guns available
in the hands of the insecure and immature, it bothers me slightly. Now if I
jump in here and take my stand totally in favor of resonable and much-needed
gun control, AND I am also a "Mike" won't that really make a pretty mess?
Wwll, maybe a pseudonym DOES make sense sometimes. Sign me,
The Dancing Teddy Bear who hates guns....Teddy Bear for short.
Message: 66131
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike M
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 21:36:06
Why not just refer to you as Middleton?
Message: 66132
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: "feud" ??
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 21:59:24
I think we're exchanging semi-friendly banter.
Message: 66133
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jeff L.
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 22:01:02
Nah, don't be intimidated into APOLLO-gizing.
Message: 66134
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Missing the point
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 22:14:20
(Hyuk! Hyuk!) Yes, you can pack points between each other "all day" and
still have enough room for a billion more. But here's the rub: we aren't
talking about a billion, nor a billion to the billionth power, nor even an
enumerable infinity of points. We are talking about a non-enumerable
infinity of points, and, equally important, all of those points between any
two points belong to the compact, connected set of real numbers. It is this
non-enumerably *infinite* process of packing points which, taken by
themselves or in finite or enumerably infinite aggregates, have zero
dimension, which produces a one-dimensional continuum. Sort of a case of
the quantum generating the continuous, to play fast and loose with words.
Shades of the multi-faceted oneness of which you spoke.
The number of points in an enumerably infinite set, such as the set of whole
numbers or the set of rationals, for that matter, is the cardinal number
"aleph-null." The number of subsets of a set of n elements is 2^n. The
number of subsets of an enumerably infinite set is therefore 2^aleph-null,
or aleph-1. This is the cardinality of the set of real numbers (and, it can
consequently be shown, the number of irrationals). It is a transfinite
number. It is generally believed, though not proven in a strict
mathematical sense, that there are no transfinites between aleph-null and
aleph-1. This is known as the Continuum Hypothesis.
I can understand, however, why this makes no sense to you. At one stage, it
was the same way for me. At a subsequent stage, I could rationally
comprehend the definitions, but I had not achieved gestalt. It now makes
intuitive sense to me.
Message: 66135
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: integrating points
Date: 05/31/90 Time: 22:22:36
Integrating a point set to find the length of an interval is precisely what
a Lebesgue integral does. As you said, integration always moves us up one
level. It is not always possible perform such an integration. For the
class of sets which are additive sets, which are non-enumerable and
discontinuous, and which due to their additive nature are *measurable*, it
is possible when the integral limit does not tend to infinity. This is a
somewhat complex subject, and one which I have not yet fully grasped even at
a fundamental level, but I am willing to discuss it to the best of my
ability. At this point, however, I would prefer to do a little more
reading. I am also tired ot typing.
Message: 66136
Author: $ Steve MacGregor
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mann/Datum
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 01:11:17
If you feel like a fool when asking for a datum, then ask for some data.
You might get all the data you want. How many data do you need?
=(u,u)= Yawn!
Message: 66137
Author: $ Steve MacGregor
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Middleton/Geese
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 01:12:15
I've never eaten a goose before, but I had a duck once. That was greasy
enough.
=(O,O)= Hoot!
Message: 66138
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Answer!
Subject: Dee
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 07:01:13
OK, you can call me Middleton if I can call you Dee.
Ray
Message: 66139
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gestalt
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 07:13:47
If you have acheived gestalt, then what's the question. It seemed to me that
YOU were getting pretty mystical with trying to either "pave" the number
line with rational and irrational Euclidian points (which we agree is
useless) or else you were trying to pave the Universe with classes the
things that were or were not classes of themselves (spoons and not spoons).
I was perhaps not clear enough in stating that Euclidian points are not
"paving squares." Roger offered the integral from x0 to x1 of plain old dx.
Well, dx IS "paving squares." dx is NOT a Euclidian point, but the limit as
epsilon approaches zero (I tries a new thread named e -> 0, but it didn't
"set" well with you). Classes of spoons and not spoons are also poor ways to
try to "pave" existence. I also tried to point out that Heisenberg (you did
not state the HP correctly) showed us that what appear to be opposite things
are really the same, but we are just prevented from seeing or sampling from
more than one nature at a time. I am not confused, and I am quite willing to
measure the length of an interval by just subtracting the end points
coordinates (which is the easy way to do Roger's intergation suggestion). If
there is a gestalt to be gained from trying to understand the duality of
existence it is this, that is an illusion. Truth and falsehood, particles
and waves, spoons and Not-spoons, rationals and irrational, male and female,
life and death; all these are not opposites that can be joined like puzzle
pieces to accrue to the pie-of-life. These are different aspects of the same
central Truth. Greek thought does not offer the answer, even if you have not
stuck to the question.
Mike
Message: 66140
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Answer!
Subject: integral dx
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 07:36:14
The integral of dx from x0 to x1 is
x1 - x0 or the length of a line from x0 to x1
the indefinite integral of dx
is x + C, which is the equation of a line whose slope is 1 at offset
is x + C, the equation of line slope 1 at offset C. In general the
integral of kdx produces a line of slope k at offset C. No mystery. Going
the other way, the differential of Kx + C is Kdx.
Message: 66141
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: steve/mucho data
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 07:40:08
I HATE saying how many data do you need ? I'd rather say how MUCH data do
you need ? Of course when looking at a core dump, I guess I could say how
MUCH data do you need.
Message: 66142
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Middleton
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 12:34:20
"I totally disagree with his position on keeping guns available in the
hands of the insecure and immature, it bothers me slightly."
So you're an advocate of deciding who is mature and secure enough to
own a weapon?
Will that be a federally mandated or state mandated task force that
decides who gets to own one?
There is a law now that prevents anyone under the age of 21 (The legal
age of drinking et al) from buying a pistol of any description.
My question is, how does one judge anothers level of maturity or security?
ANother would be ; How does that affect the ability or the legality of
owning a weapon?
Are you then an advocate of limiting freedoms to those judged soley on
their demonstrated and federally certified maturity and security ?
Just what is your idea of a free society?
P.S. My position isn't limited to the straw-man you make...I'm in favor
of the un-adulterated , untouched and un modified constitution of
the United States. With that comes responsibility...the fact that
some people aren't responsible is not grounds to change the
Constitution like you're advocating.
Message: 66143
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Melissa
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 12:44:48
But you're not keeping your 1st amendment rights separate from my
2nd. You're inferring that I'll use my 2nd ammendment rights to silence
your 1st. You couldn't be more totally wrong.
That lie is being perpetrated by a lot of people who are so near sighted
about guns that they fear anyone owning them. The media hasn't helped
much either sadly enough.
Your vicious self-serving style of vindication is a result of several
years of me-first attitudes being permitted in politics and in society.
The blame here is on everyone.
Control on society isn't dependant upon the tools which they use to
be disruptive, but they themeselves as dishonest creatures of hate.
Instead of gun control, people control. If we're going to control anything,
it would be better to mandate moral teaching than to ban anything.
Drugs have been banned.
DWI is banned
Rape is banned
Murder is banned
I guess all these bans are working so we'd better ban guns too eh?
Message: 66144
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Free Spirit Ent.
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 14:27:19
I found a nice little store that had all sorts of used hardware.
I saw a TRS 80 mod I, A Sanyo CPM setup, Apple II's, IBM clones, Atari ST
hardware, Dumb terminals, printers, monitors... and all sorts of other used
and hard to find equipment. The General Manager (Chris Wiley) was also
very nice and easy to chat with. The place is called 'Free Spirit
Enterprises Inc. and is located at 15820 N. 35th Ave, suite 4 (just north of
Greenway on the west side of the street. Phone number 843-6046
Tell him you saw it on Apollo BBS!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66145
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: War!
Subject: Unadulterated death
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 15:13:01
There is no such thing as a "pure unadulterated Constitution of the United
States." That is just a patriotic ruse to try and paint those who advocate
gun control as somehow anti-American. The Constitution is and always a
living and changing document, able to be amended and intrepreted for the
times at hand. I suggest a good way to tell who is and who is not mature and
secure enough to own a gun... those who have no desire to own one are the
only ones mature enough. I can sure think of a few safer ways those with
deep-seated feelings of inadequacy could try and compensate. How about
lifting a pickup truck with big springs and a dozen shock absorbers. That
would let you feel like a "big man" without the possibility of killing
someone or a fatal or maiming accident. You could also consider wearing tee
shirts with successful sports teams names on them... seems to work for other
immature and insecure types.
Take every gun you own and dispose of them. You don't need them to feel
grown up and those around you don't need the danger they represent.
There is far more power in humble service and loving submission than in
every gun ever made put together. Think about it.
Mike (Middleton)
Message: 66146
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 16:36:50
You think the Constitution should be changed from time to time...
So, why don't we modify the freedom of religion so that it is, 'State
controlled and approved.'
Freedom of speech should also be changed to just include the Sunday funnies
and only if they don't poke fun at the government.
All kidding aside, the freedom you now enjoy was obtained by the bravery of
people not fearing guns, but people who knew how to use them as tools.
Cowards like yourself.... hid under the bed while MEN spilled their blood to
get you these freedoms. And you want to change the freedoms you don't
happen to like.... UP YOURS!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66147
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mad Max/literacy
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 19:06:02
Jeff/Mad Max: Willkommmen an den Apollo BBS! Es freut mich noch
einmal Deutsch zu lesen. Und von einem echtigen Deutschen, sogar! Ich bin
drei yahre in Berlin gewesen, neunzehnhundert zwei und fuenfzig bis vier und
fuenfzig. Ich habe es geliebt. Damals, in jenen tagen, habe ich wirklich
Deutsch sprechen koennen. Sie werden nastuerlich verstehen, in den passenden
achtund dreissig yahre, ich habe beinahe meine ganze Deutsche Zunge
vergessen und verloren.
I still speak a bit of Spanish, tho--use it in Mexico. Most Mexicans
are kind and polite--they don't make fun of my broken Spanish. Some
Americans make fun of foreign accents, I notice, nicht wahr?
You'll find this a really good board. There are some narrow minded
bigots with visegrip brains and null acht fuenfzehn minds, argumentative and
low intelligence. There are also some very intelligent, sharp witty people
who agree with me. Rely on Sysop, he's great. John C.
Message: 66148
Author: $ John Cummings
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sysop/guns
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 19:20:56
Hey, Sysop, well said! A little emotional, perhaps, bvut right on!
I've noticed that the people who want to do away with guns are almost always
people who have never been trained to use them or have used them in defense
of the liberty we have. Liberty is not free: brave men's blood was spilled
to get it, and to keep it. Those who think it is not worth fighting for will
lose it. John C.
Message: 66149
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: BASIC Gun & Law
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 22:46:34
For you users coming to the class tomorrow (Saturday), be sure to
pack a lunch or bring munchies. Margarett brings cold soda, but that's
50 cents a 'Pop'... ha ha ha ha... (not funny?)
SysOp Sandy will be there as one of the weapons instructers, and I
will be there to get in the way.
We leave from my place at 8am sharp.....(if you don't already know
the way). If you go to the range on your own, we are meeting at 'Practical
Pistol', Ben Avery (Black Canyon) shooting range, north on I-17.
A Quote:
"On every question of the Constitution let us carry ourselves back
to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit
manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be
squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable
one in which it was passed."
Thomas Jefferson
Message: 66150
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Carter
Date: 06/01/90 Time: 23:32:05
"That lie is being perpetrated by a lot of people who are so near sighted
about guns that they fear anyone owning them."
No, Mike, I fear YOU owning one. It's not guns that kill people - it's
people who kill people, right? Just like drugs ABUSE hurts people, not the
drug itself. You don't even know my position on guns, never asked. You
just ASS ume I am a "bleeding heart liberal" and start ranting. If you
actually would like a debate, rather than a put down session, I will be glad
to participate. Until then...
"I came here for an arguement"
"No, you didn't"...
Message: 66151
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike M.
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 01:01:57
What exactly does "pave" mean, in this context?
The gestalt does not alter my initial problem: How is it that the measure
of a non-enumerable, discontinuous set is the same as that of the interval
in which the set resides? You have never begun to approach this question,
much less the answer, because you evidently cannot comprehend the concept of
a continuum, in the mathematical sense. I have explained this in four or
five messages, and I am beginning to suspect you of obscurantism.
I do not think that there is anything mystical in the contemplation of a
logical paradox, so long as one does not impute special powers to paradoxes,
as you are wont to do, by spouting mindless babble about the oneness of the
universe. When you start insisting that true and false, two mutually
exclusive contradictories, are the same thing in different guises, you have
surely stepped off the cliff of rationality and into the abyss of unreason,
since you have absolutely no logical basis upon which to make such a claim.
As for integration, I have tried to explain that the Lebesgue integral is no
less a limiting sum than a Riemann integral -- to no avail.
Your statement about the duality of existence being an illusion, and that
everything is part of a central Truth (your capitalization) is very
high-sounding. But then, that's what mystics specialize in, isn't it;
vague, bombastic rhetoric which aspires to truth but never manages to escape
the morass of its own self-contradictory, poorly defined, and unverifiable
assertions, which are frequently so unintelligible that it is impossible to
ascertain exactly what is being asserted. You are wasting my time.
Message: 66152
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: guns/Mike M.
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 01:07:40
Once again, some very pretty rhetoric. I suppose that if we lived in the
best of all possible worlds, there would be something in what you said. The
fact is, we live among predators and those who are unwilling to act against
them are more vulnerable than those who ARE willing to act against them.
Guns are merely one tool, to be applied in appropriate cases. For someone
who believes that duality is an illusion, you certainly seem to have bought
into some rather simplistic dichotomies.
Message: 66153
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: uncertainty principl
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 01:21:56
"It is impossible to determine with accuracy both the position and the
momentum of a particle (e.g. an electron) simultaneously." Momentum is a
function of mass and *velocity*. Mass, in relativistic terms, is a function
of rest mass, the speed of light, and the *velocity* of the particle.
My definition was NOT incorrect.
The act of observation of such a particle makes the aforementioned
measurements unpredictable. Now, observation does not affect rest mass.
Observation does not affect the speed of light. Observation CAN affect
velocity. It is therefore obvious that the principle can be stated in terms
of position and velocity, as well as position and momentum, since one is a
partial function of the other, and the other variables are invariant under
observation.
Message: 66154
Author: $ Steve MacGregor
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: More Uncertainty
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 03:27:26
From what I understand of the Uncertainty Principle, a particle does not
even *have* both a definite position and a definite momentum. That's not
the same as saying that you simply cannot know what they are.
=(O,O)= Hoot!
Message: 66156
Author: $ Steve MacGregor
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Stuff and Things
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 03:33:00
To Roger Mann:
That's because the plural thing-word "data" is becoming a singular
stuff-word, so that data is stuff (with no plural), whereas previously, data
were things.
You can't make the same argument about other words, though. The word
"media" is still a plural thing-word (plural of medium, of course).
=(O,O)= Hoot!
Message: 66157
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Middleton/Constituti
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 04:38:45
"The constitution is and always a living and changing document, able to be
amended and interpreted to fit the times at hand."
I see that Mr. Middleton feels the same way about the constitution as he
does the Bible. Interesting.
(It's almost too bad that I have ceased debating with him, but I couldn't
resist that comment. Carry on.)
Message: 66158
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Up with what
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 07:07:02
Up MINE? Up with what, your imagined potency, a gun to replace your shrunken
male anatomy? The only true freedom is "won" in vulnerability and the only
bravery is to stand for what you believe WITHOUT a COlt 44 in your hand. No
gun-nut DARE call anyone brave enough to call you out for what you are a
coward. The bravery is in speaking the truth that guns in the hands of the
insecure and immature babies of our society are a major threat to the
pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness and the time has come to amend the
living COnstitution to protect American citizens from the toys of boys.
Mike (Middleton)
Message: 66159
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Answer!
Subject: Time wasting
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 07:11:15
I think trying to twist the Lebesgue Integral into an operation that will
let you accrue Euclidean points as though they were the same thing as dx is
what is a waste of time. I think trying to account for all that is by
thinking about spoons and Not-spoons is a waste of time. You are correct,
there is time being wasted here, and poorly defined terms here, and
unverifiable assertions here... like the question you ask.
Mike
Message: 66160
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dichotomies
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 07:20:27
It is rejecting dichotomies, power and weakness, right and wrong, us versus
them, mine versus yours, my life versus your death, my GUN versus your bad
attitude... it is rejecting those dichotomies that is the foundational
philosophy to my statement that true power is in vulnerability and true
supremacy is in humble service to others. I am you and you are me and we are
all together, so lets drop our weapons and get busy helping each other. Then
the "best of all possible worlds" (a world that is HERE NOW) will become
manifest among us. Fear enslaves, those with such a level of fear and
distrust that they want to own a weapon, are not free and are not liberated
to be who they were created to be. We are only free when we give up our
plans and schemes and self-defensiveness. As long as we try to be in
control, we are slaves to our selfishness. As long as we buy into the
illusion that we are the defenders or possessors of Truth, we remain in
falsehood. We can not "dock" with the "starbase" to be "refueled" if our
shields are up. So I recommend hope not guns, faith not feuds, and the love
of the circle of humanity, side-by-side and co-equal all, rather than the
dog-eat-dog ladder to heaven.
. _|_
. |
. | Mike
Message: 66161
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Middleton
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 07:36:23
You are a coward yourself. You're too chicken to admit that changing
the constitution is for only cowards benefits. The trembling plastic
faced brain dead yellow bellies of this nation think that by changing teh
rules, the bad guys will obey.
Somehow you get this utopian feather up your ---- that the weather is going
to be peachy, life is a dance in the strawberry field and men will
help men build a Godly nation.
I hope you live to see the day when the other nations get their chance
to put you into their submission. You will, if you get the chance to
experience what freedom is worth, gnash your teeth and wish to almighty
God you had behaved and listened instead of doing all the talking.
Insecure as you are, I doubt if that makes a difference to the way you
view yourself; you keep treating others as beneath your dignity
and incapable of reaching your self-acclaimed maturity and height of
ultimate manhood that seems to be some form of obnoxious
self-gratification you insist on vomiting all over anyone in favor
of keeping a gun around.
Stick it in your nose, Middleton, and to hell with your rosy pink manhood
idealisms. Your breed of crap will float to the top, yello belly side up
just like the others are doing. Gutless worthless breed of crap.
Message: 66162
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Melissa
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 07:39:30
Look who's talking.
I appear on T.V. for 10 seconds to debate DeConcini's logic on his
proposed bill and I get labeled by *** YOU *** as a dangerous,
brick-throwing, hate-stunned gun-nut who isn't safe to be around.
Ontop of being called a zealot, it is you who didn't take the 50
seconds time out and ask yourself, well, gee, what did Mike say
on TV, and what was his reason for being down at the protest
for anyway?
Well gee, since all you're interested in is making a mockery of something
you don't understand, go shove it.
Message: 66163
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Mike M. on Mike C.
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 08:25:50
Both of you are putting your points of views very well, even with the name
calling. Unfortunately, I agree with Carter and Cliff.
Re: your ... "the time has come to amend the living Constitution to protect
American citizens from the toys of boys!!!" .... if you believe this, then
we should ban fast cars - maybe even cars period er? Booze? It kills in the
hands of the wrong people too. How many people a years gets killed with a
knife. Ah yes, and swimming pools - they are boy toys too arn't They? The
list is a long one. You make good points, but where do we stop? Also, do we
not need to have some kind of protection from the people that have guns and
use them against us? Not the Mike Carter's, the Cliff and Sandy's - but the
criminal element??? The people that WOULD have them anyway regardless of the
law? The police can't protect us - and certainly the courts will not. Last
but not least, why take away a Constitutional right when our freedom is
being eroded so regularly almost daily?
You seem to be under the impression that if there is a gun law, they will be
no guns! We have a drug law ........! You get the picture. -=*) ANN (*=-
P.S. If our Constitution isn't a 'living one' then what is? I was under the
impression it was written for the people and by the people??!!
Message: 66164
Author: Hans Glans
Category: War!
Subject: Mike Middleton
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 09:18:41
All people that own weapons for whatever reason are "boys". YOu seem to
forget human nature. Men come in all shapes and sizes, Colt made the
equalizer. Without guns, or any weapons, the larger and fiercer among us
would still bully the weaker and meeker. You are probably one of those that
think that women shouldn't fight a rapist. Just lay there and suffer.
Fighting back is wrong, right? Oh, but in your dream world, people wouldn't
do that first. Guns make people beat each other up, rape women, etc?
Even if there were no crime, and people were all good to each other, I would
have guns. It's called a hobby. Target shooting. Intelligent people don't
ban things that can be used for negative purposes, they just don't use them
for such purposes.
Message: 66165
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Answer!
Subject: Name-calling
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 10:25:11
Yes, your name calling PROVES you are not mature enough to handle a gun. One
little post on one little BBS taking the position opposite yours and you
explode with immaturity and insecurity. You should not be allowed within 10
miles of a gun. You imagine that you are a part of the civiliam militia
protecting my freedoms from the saber-toothed tigers, Lord Have Mercy! You
will protect my freedoms from YOU? You keep hiding behind your big }i"gun"
and I'll stand naked for what I believe in... I am not afraid to be called a
coward by a bully with a gun. First you want to stick something up my ass,
then up my nose... say, who is it with homosexual rape for brains?
Mike
Message: 66166
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Living Words
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 10:29:24
Exactly my point. Thanks, Ann. The Constitution is a living document. Paul
(Mr. Pot-shot) wishes to point out how that is similar to the Living Word of
God. Well, there are similarities. Fast cars are banned. 55 in town, 65 on
the freeway. I drive a VW. You are also right that the police are not the
answer, It is the moral committment of individuals that determines the moral
level of the society. I have the info on owls for you. I looked them up in
the library. I will leave a separate post. I'll be gone next week, so keep
pointing out how our rights are being eroded, not by gun control, but
because of our ignorance and the greed of the powerful. See you in a week!
. /\\
. {@.@}
. )"( Mike
Message: 66167
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: In search of
Subject: Owls
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 10:40:44
For Ann O. What I found on Owls as a symbol...
The Romans called owls "strix" which became the same word for witch. The
Greeks thought the owl was sacred to Athene, the "Eye-Goddess." The
Mesopotamians showed Her as an Owl or an Owl-eye and these images are
common to finds in the Middle East, especially in the digs around Mari, the
City of the Mother. The Owl was the totem of Anath, and other versions of
the Triune Goddess of the Moon (death and rebirth who ruled the darkness).
According to Christian legends, the Owl was one of the "Three Disobedient
Sisters" (as they referred te the Triune Goddess). She was cursed to be a
bird who could never look at the sun (we could discuss Jesus as Sun God if
you want). One medieval name for owls was the "night hag;" a bird in witch
form. (or vice versa) We still wee owls associated with witches in the pagan
holiday, Holloween. The Owl was thought by those who clung to their faith in
the Goddess to be a symbol for Sophia, Her Wisdom. It was thought in the
superstitions of those people that if an owl could be killed and its heart
pulled out and laid on the left breast of a sleeping virgin, then the woman
would talk in her sleep and reveal all her secrets and dreams. This
superstition is the origin of our phrase "a heart-to-heart talk" to mean
women sharing secrets of love and sexual activities together in private.
So a HOOT to Steve and a thanks to you for the Owl drawings!
Mike
Message: 66168
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 12:04:21
Carter's homosexual threats are "squeky clean"? I guess violence isn't as
unacceptable to you as sex. I wonder what Freud would have to say about
that.
Message: 66169
Author: David Nixon
Category: Question?
Subject: New BBS User
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 14:19:35
My name is David Nixon and I am a new user. I have just recently acquired a
modem and have now gotten it to work. I was wondering about the services
that are available on the bulletin boards and would appreciate any advice
anyone would care to offer. Thank you
David
Message: 66170
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: pretty certain
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 15:56:31
The definition I quoted was from the Penguin Dictionary of Science. Here
is part of another definition from Britannica: "Uncertainty principle, also
called indeterminacy principle, discovered (1927) by the German physicist
Werner Heisenberg, states that the position and the velocity of an object
cannot both be measured exactly, at the same time, even in theory.
The very concepts of exact position and exact velocity *together*, in fact,
have no meaning in nature."
Also -- "Any attempt to measure precisely the velocity of a subatomic
particle, such as an electron, will knock it about in an unpredictable way,
so that a simultaneous measurement of its position has no validity. This
result has nothing to do with inadequacies in the measuring instruments, the
technique, or the observer; it arises out of the intimate connection in
nature between particles and waves in the realm of subatomic dimensions."
Message: 66171
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike Middleton
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 15:59:12
Visualize world peace.
Message: 66172
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Annie
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 17:43:34
Re: "if you believe this, then we should ban fast cars"
Gee Annie, does that include corvettes? [smile]
:-) (-: :-) (-: :-) :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-: :-) (-:
Message: 66173
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hands/Mike
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 17:49:22
Re: "You are probably one of those that think that women shouldn't fight a
rapist. Just lay there and suffer."
No no! That's not what Mike said. He said, "So I recommend hope not guns,
faith not feuds, and the love of the circle of humanity"
I would think a rapist might enjoy this kind of attitude in his victims.
Message: 66174
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: steve/uncertainty
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 19:08:39
Yes, it seems that "particles" exist in a sort of probability cloud
until "observed", at which time either the position or velocity
becomes fixed.
Message: 66175
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: paul's blessing
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 19:10:25
Thanks, Paul, for permitting us to "carry on". BTW, the Constitution
is not a God-inspired document. (Or do you believe THAT too ?)
Message: 66176
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mann
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 20:00:08
Probablity cloud, shmrobability cloud!
Message: 66177
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Free Spirit Computer
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 20:45:01
Whach out for the guy, I purchased a used RS disk drive there once and the
guy only warantied it for 48 hours, it fried a week later.
If you want quality murcendise ( almost any thing you want used ) at a very
reasonable price, try Electronics Materials Recovery on 31st ave and Thomas
there in the phone book under used computers, dont both calling go down
yourself, and I garanty you will end up spending money.They waranty their
stuff unconditionaly for 30 days. They are extremly helpful if you go down
in person. They even have used parts that fit my obsolete TRS 80 COCO3.
Believe me you'll get a better deal there, but thats just my opinion because
they treated me like a real customer not like a kid with a toy.
See you later
THE MAD MAX
Message: 66178
Author: $ Steve MacGregor
Category: Answer!
Subject: Nixon/New User
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 21:06:11
We're a friendly, though argumentative, bunch here. I think you'll like
us. If not, then try the ther systems command from the main menu, and
get a list of a *lot* of local BBSs to try. There's something there for
everybody (like Trinity, with lots of religious discussions, or
Pascalaholics Anonymous, for Borland techies, to name a couple that I
haunt).
Most of these are *free* *free* *free*, and worth every penny of it, if
not more.
Apollo here has [S]pecial [I]nterest [G]roups with specialized discussions
in various fields. You'll have to $ign up for access to those. Note that
*many* people think it's worth the price -- whenever you see a message
posted by someone with a dollar-sign in his name, he's paid.
Have fun!
=(O,O)= Hoot!
Message: 66179
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Melissa's drugs
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 22:01:57
What kind and how much of 'em are you taking?
I haven't made any threats here or anywhere else.
What's with this homosexual diatribe?
Why does every word you spew have to have a dirty connection
with human reproductive organs? Freud says that these hangups
are the result of too little attention being paid to the perpetrator.
You know, drugs will not only get you messed up like this, but they'll
also cost you a bunch.
Message: 66180
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Middelton's Constit-
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 22:09:11
Middelton here expouses changing the constitution. I'll bet he hasn't read
it. In fact, if he was even partially informed, he'd realize a lot of
this rhetoric he's belching is already come to pass.
Sure, let's change the constitution. Lemme see. This is an election
year in Arizona..so, since we have such a perfect government, let's
ban the 1st ammendment, the second too and do away with the bill
of rights...after all, we can't have the sleezo citizens barking up
trees and disturbing the tranquility around here now can we?
While we're at it, anyone who attempts to go .00001 miles / hour over
the speedlimit will be faced with confiscation of the vehicle. After all,
too many motorists die because of the insecure and immature idiots behind
the wheel out there. If you can't drive under the limit you're not mature
enough to own a car. Also, since we're changing the constitution around
like our Great God Mike Middelton preaches, let's remove the right to
own private property..hey..just think of all the housing problems we'll
solve! That way, if some immature, insecure person decides to use
their VCR too loudly on Sunday we can confiscate it and restore the
ultimate tranquility in our ultimate utopian government controlling
the perfect society.
We'll have to ban everything that isn't mandatory.
Message: 66181
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: GUN GT
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 22:48:27
Cliff, Sandy, Mike (C) and I were there... where were Peter P., Traci S.,
Nick, and the rest of you??
Message: 66182
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: bob(I think)
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 22:53:16
Actually, some rapists get mad if a woman jsut lays there "dead". Part of
the thrill for some rapists is seeing their victim be scared or scream.
Message: 66183
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Carter
Date: 06/02/90 Time: 23:01:00
"feather up your butt" "put you into their submission"
"mastubatory self-gratification you insist on ejaculating all over anyone"
"Stick it in your nose" "go shove it."
These are some choice examples of your sexual hostility, taken out of
context, from messages to myself and Middleton.
I think I'm going to keep them; maybe use them in a story...
But at least I'll put it on the cosmos sig.
Message: 66184
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: J.Cummings/german
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 00:14:25
Es freut mich echt einen menschen zu sehen der noch deutch spricht. Du
brauchst nicht so formal zu sein, ich denke wir koennen uns dutzen. Dein
deutsch ist nicht schlecht fuer einen amerikaner. Mein deutsch wird von tag
zu tag schlechter. Ich merke das besonders wenn ich mit meinen eltern in
deutschland an telephon spreche. I muss echt nachdenken bei manchen worten.
Ich war das letzte mal 1987 in detschland, meine oma war am sterben, und die
US ARMY hat mich kostenfrei nach detschland geflogen. Wenn es dir nichts
asmach wuerde ich gerne unsere unterhaltungen in deutsch ausfueren. Ich
kanns weisgotlich gebrauchen. Wenn du gerne deutsche zeitungen lesen wilst,
ich habe genug von dennen. Die sind schon einpaar monate alt, aber ich lese
sie trostdem gerne. Wenn du irgendwelche fragen ueber deutschland hast, ich
spreche alle zwei wochen mit meinen eltern die in deutschland wohnen( meine
eltern wohnenin Trier). Ich habe so manches erfahren das man hier nicht in
denn zeitungen liest. Ich muss jetzt schluss machen da ich keine zeit mehre
habe. Tschuess
Jeff Lochansky
Message: 66185
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger Mann
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 04:44:17
"BTW, the Constitution is not a God-inspired document."
According to you and Middleton, neither is the Bible. What's the
difference, in your economy?
Message: 66186
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 06:17:14
Yes, they're taken *way* out of context..in fact so far out that
I almost went out of my way in the real context to avoid making them
sound like hostile threats.
But you're so hell bent on hating you can't see that.
"At least I'll put it on the cosmos SIG"
(1) You already re-posted the material
(2) None of the material could ever be classified as foul, profane
or slang. In fact, Webster's Deluxe second edition has some pretty
graphic ways of describing some of the words you seem to be
incapable of understanding their meaning. I recommend it..it's
essential reading before you go blasting off at the mouth.
[s]kip activated, I grow tired of your meaningless wretching.
Message: 66187
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Here and now
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 06:41:19
Last night I received a call from a good friend who advised me that
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tabacco and firearms is taking steps towards
banning certain types of ammunition.
I know for some of you this is very good news.
We won't bother wondering why at this point..just that it is important
to listen to what each side on these matters say.
One side wishes the Constitution to be changed daily without regard to
its sanctity or what it really stands for. The other wishes the
Constitution to remain unchanged.
Well, I tell you what. The legislatures of each State in this Union have
slowly been eroding at those rights of yours. You no longer have them.
Why? Because nobody thought it would be a big deal...the people working
on the laws figured the law they were passing was for the good of the
people...
We all really want peace to be in our lives. We all hope for better times
and treasure the times like that in our past.
Unfortunately there is the criminal element in our Cities, suburbs, schools
and work places. It's inescapable. None of us wants to be a victim..
nobody here wants to get mugged or raped or any dozen things that can
and might someday happen. It's truly annoying to live in these times
with such fantastic potential to achieve in so many areas...and be
threatened daily..intimidated by gangs, drugs, dispair.
So what's happening is we're passing so many laws to "prevent" and put
a "stop to" these threats and potential hazards. (CONT)
Message: 66188
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cont / Last
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 06:48:46
We are passing bills, laws and enacting special stuff like that at a record
pace. Have any of you , all arguments aside, really taken a few minutes
out to look and see how many of these bills are going through?
Have you had the time to read them all? I'm telling you, I haven't
read them all and the ones I have read make me wonder.
This **WILL** affect you. Maybe not today..tomorrow or even the
next day. When it does, it will be all at once and you will feel like you
are being singled out..because you really are.
If there's anything you remember, remember that which I have just said.
You're being singled out. Not just me and my guns, but everyone of you
is being singled out. Separately. Bill by bill, right by right..State by
state. It will be a laughing matter until it's your turn. I hope you
are prepared.
It wont be a gun fight. It wont be a fist fight...no, nothing like that...
those are too intimate..too honest. It'll be when the cards are so
stacked against you...all the marbles will be in their hands. It's true.
You wont know who is your friend, who's your enemy. But you will know
the fact you've lost your freedom and it will be too late to object because
you, at that moment, will be a criminal.
.....>> SAY GOODBYE TO THE BILL OF RIGHTS <<
Message: 66189
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mike M.
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 08:49:06
No gun in my hand you yellow bellied traitor to freedom. The POINT
was if you let them (the Government) change one part of the Constitution,
what is stopping them from changing it all? Taking away ALL our freedoms??
Only an ignorant idiot would totally disarm the people.
If you believe what you say, why don't you move to China... No one
there ever gets killed....now do they? We FREE Americans don't want your
kind!
Being a Christian and a Vet, you make me SICK!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66190
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mizz Dee
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 09:07:27
Gee, I was away yesterday and DID not see those 'Squeaky clean'
words you are speaking of till JUST NOW! I agree with Mike C. in the basic
facts...but I am not happy with his choice of wording. I feel I am part to
blame as I said... "Up Yours" to Mike M. and then Middleton turned it into a
SEX insult argument. (see Middleton's post # 66158, 1st and 2nd line) Mike
Carter then countered that...and you know the rest.
Next time I will tell Mike Middleton, I ment 'Up his nose with a
rubber hose' and maybe he will keep his perverted mind in check.
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66191
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: Squeaky Clean
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 09:32:55
PLEASE 'try' and keep sexual insults off this PUBlic board.
I know in todays 'Living' world, it is all but too easy to let such things
slip out. I am guilty of this myself, since I am only human... SysOps are
*NOT* Gods, and we make mistakes!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=* <--- sometimes Naughty
Message: 66192
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: GUNS?
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 10:07:23
If I REALLY thought banning weapons would make ALL crime vanish, and
big bullies would not take over by pushing smaller people around... I would
consider it! Better yet, I would support it! However, we are humans, and
humans have been given free will by God to choose for ourselves the path we
will follow. There were criminals before there were guns... so this proves
guns did not invent criminals. What guns have done, is it has given big and
small an EQUAL chance at defending themselves from such bullies who have
chosen a path of shortcuts. Being educated on its use does NOT cause crime,
but may prevent a crime. The key word here is 'educated', not 'banned' or
being kept 'ignorant' about self defense. I do believe if you WISH to own a
weapon of anysort, you should be educated correctly in its use. If you
THINK you do not need this education, them maybe a GUN is not for you.
Then there is SPORTS! We are not all Neanderthals, thus we all
can't play 'football' or even 'baseball'. I myself have never played them
games well, nor do I enjoy watching them. I however do like shooting at
NON-Living targets. I don't even like to hunt! People like Middleton want
to make this sport a CRIME! Yet people are injured EVERY day playing school
football and baseball. Heck, people have even been killed playng golf!
If you ban one, ban them all! Let's all sit around doing NOTHING!
Yes, I have my EXPERT diploma in weapons handling. You will never
get HURT around me by IGNORANCE if I should happen to be carring a weapon.
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66193
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff/Mike C.
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 10:38:22
I see you've already addressed this issue, but...
Cliff, I'm sorry to complain again, but I really must
protest the language contained Mike Carter's post number 66161.
Melissa has already outlined the specifics in her 66183. His
continued references to matters of a homo- or autoerotic nature
are clearly in violation of the precepts you've espoused for the
public [B]ulletin Board. Additionally, I believe this message,
and others recently posted by Mr. Carter, violate Apollo
Commandments 4, 10 and, by all standards of common public
decency, 2.
Others have been publicly censured for such activity. Is
Mr. Carter, for some reason, going to be allowed to continue this
behavior, Cliff? Does virtually anything go on the [B]ulletin
Board now?
If so, this is a sad day for Apollo.
Message: 66194
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Bill B.
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 10:56:30
I guess I did not address it enough, Bill? As you SHOULD know, I
have not kicked ANYONE off Apollo for any reason in many years. I have
tried to get the users themselves to correct their own posts where they
can. I will ASK Mr MIKE Carter to use the UIP (Up-Date-in-Place) cmd, and
reword his post. I think his post had value, but he could have picked a few
more accptable words. I like to think MOST of us on Apollo are adults...
and we should act as such. Again I am sorry Bill!
Mike...will you PLEASE re-read your posts mentioned by Bill and
do your own fix? How does the PHAntom Zone sound for a summer visit if you
don't? You think it is HOT in Phoenix.....
Mizz Dee.... Will your outline of Mike's post be not so graphic if
he does fix it. I have always been against the repeating of said
crimes(sic) in follow up posts.... It just seems silly to repeat what one
finds objectionable.
There are times I love being a SysOp..then there are times I don't!
clif-
P.S. NO hard feelings by ANYONE...please!
Forgive us Bill, for we have sinned!
Message: 66195
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Apollo Tips & Tricks
Subject: UIP cmd
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 11:06:46
In that last post I mentioned the cmd... Up-Date-in-PLACE
This is for when you find an error, such as spelling or grammar, you can fix
it with out getting the post out of order. It Saves it in the same place
with the same message number. This CMD is ONLY available for $tatus members
however. At one time ALL users could use this CMD, but we had some
NON-Members come in and rewrite their posts form an innocent message, and
after I had read it and gone on, would come back and write in garbage,
profanity and other such filth....thinking it would not have to pass under
my eyes again. Well, they lost that cmd, and for that I APOLLO-gize to you
other non-members who would never do such things.
The [U]pdate cmd can be used by all...but that brings the post to
the front of the line again.
Any questions?
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66196
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Answer!
Subject: Reasonable gun cont.
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 12:38:23
So when faced with the suggestion of reaonable gun control and the facts
about the US Constitution, that it is a living document via amendment and
judicial intrepretation, you reply by going off the deep end and extend the
position of your opponent to the absurd? We said that guns should not be in
the hands of the insecure or immature, but then the question became, "How do
we tell?" Interesting that you stepped up an volunteered to be the model for
us of both traits. Reasonable gun control is needed exactly because we are
not safe as a society when people can not tell the difference between
playing a VCR too loudly, going .0000001 miles per hour over the speed
limit, and defending their version of "rightness" by pulling a trigger and
blowing someone away. Reasonable gun control is needed just because the
legitamate recreational use of guns by mature and secure people is being
seriously threatened by hot-tempered idiots who love guns more than common
sense. Thank you for the offer to model for us the EXACT type of person who
should not ever own a gun, at least not until they grow up. You can not hide
yourself behind your gun, nor your distorted view of the Constitution, we
see you. We see right through you.
Mike
Message: 66197
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gold Tablets
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 12:41:39
You tell us the difference in the BIble and the Constitution, Paul. You
brought it up. Tell us how they are different... I never heard God in the
Constitution, but I never heard Jefferson in the Bible, either. Have you
ever heard anyone speaking a Living Word to you from either?
Mike
Message: 66198
Author: Mike Middleton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: "They"
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 12:51:14
So who do you think "THEY" are, Mr. American Christian Vet? THe Constitution
has been changed several times, both by amendment, and mostly by judicial
intrepretation. The Constitution is a living document, not cast into stone.
If gun nuts want to continue using one small part of it to self-justify a
dangerous and pointless hobby, then yes, it may be time to consider changing
that part of the Constitution. Nothing un-American about that. I'd rather
see us move toward reasonable gun control, but fanatics may preclude such a
course. Freedom comes when a Christian dies to his own plans and schemes and
fears and hates and prejudices and allows God to make him free in Christ.
The more tightly a person clings to a personal cause or the defense of self,
the more enslaved that person is. It should make you sick, sick enough of
your SELF to die with Christ on the Cross that is the Crown of true Freedom.
You may want me to move to China, but this is America and here is where I
am, so here is where I stand for what I believe. The Holy Spirit is moving
in CHina and among Chinese Christians, too. The self-righteous and fearful
there do not like it either. I think it makes the power-broker types in
China sick, too. Maybe you can write to the Chinese Gun Lovers and share
stories about tanks running over unarmed peace lovers. It might be healing
for you to know that you are not alone in your disease.
Mike
Message: 66199
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last few
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 13:09:44
What a JERK! You can't even talk to this guy without him calling
you a 'Gun-Nut'...just because I had TRAINING with the tool. Telling me
because I have a sport it is a 'disease'... He tells me I am hiding behind
a gun, even after I told him I was not. He talks about Christ like he was
a Christian... he is not a Christian...he is a joke! A coward.... A trator
to realistic freedom. And worse of all...if he believes this crap about if
guns were controlled...bad guys would not have them...then he is a bigger
fool then I can ever label him as. If they can smuggle in TONs of drugs,
why not guns? If I as a lowly airospace machinest can make a gun in my
little shop....what will stop the DRUG Lords who happen to own much bigger
shops from making their own weapons (guns). Restrictive LAWs only hurt the
honest people.
Middleton, go to China.... they want jerks like you as sheep!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66200
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gun Laws
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 13:23:33
I lived in New York for several years... One of the toughest gun
control law states there is. Well, I owned MORE hand guns when I lived
there then I do here. They were very easy to get in the underground.
Funny, there is more crime there per capita then there is where guns are
legal. Bad guys don't fear breaking into homes there as they can almost
bet, the home owner won't be facing them with a gun.
Criminals favor gun control.... is there something you want to tell
us Mr. Middleton?
FACT: In 1967, Hawaii enacted a tough gun law. In the five years
following, robbery was UP 180%, murder was up 183%, and rape skyrocketed
326%!
The four contries with the highest gun ownership have the lowest crime
rates. These countries are Switzerland, Israel, Denmark and Finland.
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66201
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff on Carter
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 13:39:55
I was merely repeating his statements to attract your attention. I know he
is a friend of yours and you believe in his point of view rather than
mine(even though you don't know what that is). But I only wanted you to be
fair. I can debate with people without throwing insults and don't believe i
have voilated any of the rules on the public board. I am insulted that he
is allowed to use this form of "arguement" on here and get away with it.
Message: 66202
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: M.Middleton/66198
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 14:07:05
I'm sorry I have to get in on this one. Where do you get of calling a sport
that millions of people enjoy a quote * dangerous and pointless hobby *
I agree with cliff, that if you are trained and educated on the use of a
weapon, there is no reason except for a true accident for anybody to get
hurt.
Lots of poeple out there use cars to run somebody down, do you want to ban
them to? That is a sport too, if I understand it correctly. How about
baseball, how many people get killed because they are bashed over the head
with a baseball bat. thats a sport, you want to ban that also, because you
might find it " dangerous and pointless "? I think cliff is right , yellow
bellied idiots like you should move to China, not Russia mind you , because
they are trying to archive freedom and fools like you might spoil it for
them if you carried your views over there. Thats all, I've got to say to
you.
Long live the NRA
THE MAD MAX
Message: 66203
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dee Re:66201
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 14:19:40
Thank you for your support Miz Dee... Yes, Mike is a friend of mine, but no
less there is a letter waiting (RAM-Gram) for Mr Carter on this problem you
speak of. He is not 'getting away with it' as you suggest. I honestly was
not on Apollo for a day and I did not see the post in question till this
morning. Give me a break, Mike has got to log in to see my letter and make
the fixes himself. I give all $tatus users that chance...where I can.
Yes, I agree with Mike on the GUN issue, and I am not sure what your
view is on this subject...but I have not seen anything that I consider
negative. I don't understand your comment about Mike on TV and about 'Brick
Throwing'. (I knew it was in jest since I KNOW Mike) Between you two, I am
caught in the middle.... but rest assured, any complaint by you or Bill is
not being ignored! SysOp's honor!
Now, where is Mr. Carter? Dang the Fang anyway!
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66204
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: War!
Subject: Middleton
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 14:47:13
Yes, the Constitution has been amended, but NEVER to remove a
'Right' or a 'Freedom'. It was amended to enhance the rights and equal
freedoms for ALL.
You may not understand, but if you try to remove my 'freedom of
Religion' or 'Freedom of Speech', I am going to get just as *MAD* and fight
just as hard.
You ask who was 'Them'... well, to be honest, 'them' is people like
you who try to shove their morals and likes and dislikes down on the rest of
us PEOPLE, like God appointed you or something. Note that I am not
wanting to remove any of your rights from the Consitution, it is you who are
setting yourself up as judge wanting my rights removed or modified.
You are the 'Righteous Invader' into the Constitution that works and is the
best in the WORLD! Your ideals may sound nice like flowers, but is in
reality unworkable because people are people (for lack of better words)
Get out your copy of the BILL of Rights and start reading:
Congress shall make no law.....
And:
the right of the people to KEEP and bear arms shall NOT be INFRINGED.
Keep going......
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66205
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mike M. on owls
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 14:55:10
Thanks for the owl message. Very interesting. However, I drew them because I
extremely like owls, plus, they were fairly easy to draw using the keyboard.
Ha ha. Real deep ain't I? -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 66206
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bobby on Vette
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 14:56:25
Ban the Corvette? Heavens NO! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 66207
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: On Gun owning
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 15:03:02
Pardon me, but isn't being able to own guns one of the things that make us
Americans? How many other countries are the people able to own them?
England? No. France? I don't know, but I doubt there's many. Why take this
right away from us and put us in the same category as the rest of them?
Besides, we may need them someday to fight our very own government! Lets
keep them a wee bit afraid of us least they go against us. -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 66208
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliffy
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 15:08:24
If you are gonna throw Mike Carter in the Zone, will you throw Miz Dee in
with him (sorry Melissa!) and then let me in too? I don't want to miss this!
Ha ha. Grin. Snicker. Smile <------- those words are so you'll all know I'm
kidding!! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 66209
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mike M. on China
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 15:11:16
The reason they ran over those peace lovers with tanks is because the
Chinese populace isn't allowed to own guns and they REALLY do need them for
protection! -=*) ANN (*=-
Message: 66210
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Middleton
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 17:08:54
I remember my teenage years when I was so self-righteous that I spoke
all truth , knew all knowledge and none could tell me otherwise.
Fortunately I have left that ailment of raging hormones and have experienced
life a day at a time. Through these years I've come{to understand some
things...one of them being that I can tell when someone hides behind his
religion and locks his eyes and ears out to anyone.
WHat Middleton needs he can't get here. Though he may beg for it, this
world is so messed up right now he'll probably never get it.
But that's o.k. His particular brand of hate and despise cloaked over
in a thinly veiled disguise of holier-than-thou rhetoric is not unlike
much of what has been a key ingredient in our local politico.
I actually really do hope that he and people like him get what they're
begging for. I at least wont be a part of it. Heh heh. I have that
ground well painted, covered and seasoned. I wont be there to say
"I told you so" either. Waste of time. It's better to stay ahead
and let them scramble their own miserable way up.
Heh heh. Don't worry Mikey, you'll reap what you're seeding..that's fer
sure.
Message: 66211
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: War!
Subject: Wretching
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 17:20:58
ONly because Cliff has asked me as a friend have I re-edited any
of my posts. You two squeamish neer-do-wells are so hypocritic the
fake halo around your head is about to set fire to your wig.
Nevertheless...
You can bet , **guaranteed** I'll be watching yer verbiage real close
and with that way-out-in-left-field-context eye as well. Mizzy Dee is
not only incapable of opening communication with someone in a non-hostile
manner , she's also incapable of responding to the posts. Instead she
gives up and attcks anything but the issue. That's O.K. too. It's a
guaranteed Constitutional right. You have the right to wretch.
Mr Burkett only tarts up when someone offends his opinion. Needless to
say I don't wish to offend anyone with *real* profanity...but this
milk and toasties with honey bit is gonna make me puke all over your
cream-n-tarts world here soon.
It's ** T O U G H ** you can't stand my opinions...and this just gives
me more fuel to be that salt in your festering wound.
Do yourself a favor, Bill, [S]kip my posts.
Message: 66212
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: Hard feelings
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 17:49:52
I was HOPING there would be NO 'hard feelings'.... I value all
posts even when I am NOT in agreement, so I would rather see Dee and Bill
not [S]kip Mike C's posts and vise-a-verse-a (sp)
I don't think Bill disagreed with Carters opinion on weapons, but
just how it was said. (Correct me if I am wrong, Bill?)
I am confused on the Dee/Mike C. thing... somehow I think it was a
misunderstanding.
Thank you Mike, for fixing your posts.
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66213
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dee
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 17:56:09
Well, you certainly have some good material for a new story. But
PLEASE post it in the COSmos SIG.
*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*
Message: 66214
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Estonia
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 18:30:41
I am an Estonian (Kolostow), my great grandparents were Christians
as I am. They however were unarmed and murdered. Where does the fault lie
I often ask myself. Most likely because they listened to idiots like
Middleton who think laying down weapons bring about peace and freedom.
Yes, the reds shot and killed all the women and children as well. Not one of
them was able to defend themselves and only my Grandpa escaped as he was not
in the village the day of the massacre. When I hear stupid people speak of
"standing there naked" and not fighting for liberty and life, it makes me so
angry inside, it hurts.
If M.M. believes this is what he wants for himself, fine, let him
stand there and watch his wife and kids get raped and murdered. I don't
care since he don't care. Now get your tail to China and tell the
Communist Government you are a 'Freedom Fighter without a weapon'. Stand
there in front of their tanks with your false doctrine, and.......
SQUISH!
Message: 66215
Author: Jeff Lochansky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Guns in other countr
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 20:55:12
Somebody, I think Ann stated that america is the only country where you can
own guns, not quite true.
You can own a firearm in several countries of the world. Let me inform you
all about which ones, if you are interested that is.
Germany: You may own a firearm if and there are several conditions
1. You can prove you need one such as You are a buissness man
that carries a lot of cash.
2. you are a licenced hunter ( such require a lot of education
and you have to pass a test administered by the state )
3. you are a licenced gun collector ( you will have trouble
obtaining amunition since you need a licence for that to )
France: The same conditions as in germany apply there to except for
Veterans of wars, which can keep the weapon they had in service
Swiss: All male citizens are part of a military reserve, and are
permanantly issued weapons and amunition.
England: You may own a weapon if you are a licenced hunter or gun collector.
Norway: No major restrictions aplly here if that hasnt changed since I was
last there.
Netherlands: From what I understand all you need there is a licence.
well I hope that was interesting enough THE MAD MAX
Message: 66216
Author: Hans Glans
Category: War!
Subject: Cliff
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 21:22:35
What is the best weapon for self defense...
s
Message: 66217
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Answer!
Subject: last
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 22:29:55
From what I have been told, a good double-action revolver is the best. Least
likely to jam or have problems, reliable, etc. Something that won't fail in
a pinch (if you take reasonable care of it).
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1:Caffeine and Nicotine babies are also a big problem, much bigger than
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4:Cocaine is not, in reality, a big problem but due to "our current drug war"
5:it is being blown way out of proportion.
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8:understand what is really happening.
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Message: 66218
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob T.
Date: 06/03/90 Time: 23:30:19
Caffeine and Nicotine babies are also a big problem, much bigger than
cocaine babies.
Cocaine is not, in reality, a big problem but due to "our current drug war"
it is being blown way out of proportion.
Substitute the word, 'DRUG' for Communism and/or Jew and you will begin to
understand what is really happening.
Rod