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22165: Re: Re[2]: "Advanced" use of virtual worlds? (Re: [MUD-Dev] MMORP Gs & MUDs)

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From: Travis Casey <efindel@earthlink.net>
Newsgroups: nu.kanga.list.mud-dev
Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:57:36 -0500
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On Wednesday 30 January 2002 4:03, Freeman, Jeff wrote:
> Travis Casey wrote:

>>> Roleplaying in an MMO means denying yourself a great wealth of
>>> interaction with other people.

>> How do you get this?  Contrary to what some zealots think, one
>> does not have to give up OOC interaction in order to roleplay.

>> Now, I agree that roleplayers are not "more advanced" -- they're
>> just playing the game in a different way.  However, I don't see
>> how roleplaying, in and of itself, denies someone any interaction
>> with other people.

> Mostly just being facetious.

> We can define RP so loosely that it pretty much includes everyone,
> particularly if you don't see slipping into and out of OOC on a
> whim as "not roleplaying".  But then I'd have to say MMO's are
> RPGs and *everyone* roleplays whether they know it or not.
> Really, everyone *does*, more often than not, mostly always, refer
> to their avatar as themselves: "*I* did this or that" as opposed
> to "My character did this or that."

> However, self-labeled Role-Players, from what I have seen, tend to
> reject definitions that broad.  If you OOC, ever, then you aren't
> roleplaying, even if you refer to your avatar in the 1st person.
> Roleplaying means, from that perspective, never breaking
> character.  Or maybe it's never breaking fiction, since being
> yourself means you cannot break character.

Being somewhat facetious:

To me, it's like angst.  Anyone can experience angst, and I'm sure
there are plenty of people who are full of angst but don't even know
what the word means.  However, there's a certain subset of people
who are self-labeled Full of Angst, who think that having angst
means dressing in black, writing bad poetry about how awful
everything is, and talking about Nietchze (sp?) all the time.

From my point of view, the behavior of self-labeled "Roleplayers"
has as much to do with what roleplaying is as the behavior of the
self-labeled "Full of Angst" has to do with what angst really is.

> But if you don't OOC, then we're not interacting with on a
> player-to-player level, I'm interacting with your character, or
> not at all.

> So, I'll revise that original statement: Not ever breaking-fiction
> in an MMO means denying yourself a great wealth of interaction
> with other people.

That, I'll readily agree with.

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