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From: "Jay Carlson" <nop@mitre.org>
Newsgroups: nu.kanga.list.mud-dev
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:35:39 -0500
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Organization: Kanga.Nu
Bruce (bruce@puremagic.com) writes:
> Why didn't MCP take off outside of the MOO community that spawned
> it?
This cynic sez that there's no MUD community and no MOO community, and
only loose connections between different groups that use the same
software.
> I'm not sure, but I haven't seen any comparable efforts from others
> though that were as well specified or approached the same level of
> support and experimentation that MCP has.
I still like MCP a lot for what it does.
If you're willing to go with non-ASCII interactions, a lot of what MCP
does and more is in BEEP (
http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/beep-charter.html
) although I haven't yet convinced myself that I like BEEP.
> In short, my point is: Why not take MCP/2.1 and work it into some
> other existing codebases or clients? It'd be great to have
> tinyfugue support for it, or for some of the other common text-based
> clients, or for some of the common servers, like Smaug, or some of
> the LPC mudlibs.
I think Ben Jackson (ben@ben.com) had at least local editing working
in tf at some point. Maybe not MCP/2.1 tho.
I think there have been a couple of decent public Java implementations
of MCP/2.1, and the Tcl implementation is there in tkmoo-light
(although under non-commercial-use terms).
Ease of implementation in random-scripting-language was a design
consideration for MCP, so it should be relatively easy to implement in
any language richer than, say, troff....
> (And some other interesting things have been built on top of MCP,
> like the TWin client: http://weblab.research.att.com/tchat/ )
And CVW (now in the public domain! http://cvw.sourceforge.net/ )
although that's stuck at MCP/"2.0" because there was never a good time
in the release cycle to fix it. It's pretty close though.
I should ping Michael Brundage to see what the status is on the stuff
at
http://spider.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/brundage/np/
....
Jay
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