From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: YNGLING Subject: Questions... Date & Time: 05/25/90 09:05:03 Message Number 5051 The Yngling- I'm not sure, but at least one Estonian here will miss Sammy. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: YNGLING Subject: Correction Date & Time: 05/25/90 09:07:32 Message Number 5052 Harumph! =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/25/90 09:10:35 Message Number 5053 Capital-why ee ess comma bee you tea space Capital-gee oh dee space ell oh vee ee ess space why oh you period Capital-See period Capital-Pee period Capital-you period =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TURTLE Subject: Griffin dormant Date & Time: 05/25/90 09:13:57 Message Number 5054 Just in the past two days, someone was trying to simultaneously convert me to astrology and Christianity, I've been told that I've been put on the equivalent of probation (and didn't know it -- and haven't yet failed a contract...), when I was going to give a recorder lesson, I walked in on my fellow students all in medieval costume, giving a lecture; and there were peope outside my door flinging ice cream, chocolate syrup, nuts (both chopped peanuts and chopped walnuts), and cherries at each other. Ghods! =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: JONBOY Subject: New Subject: Date & Time: 05/25/90 09:24:38 Message Number 5055 Dear Jonboy, Would a loving God create his "highest form of life" so that they couldn't understand Him/Her at all? (Granted: there might be parts that we can't understand -- simply by being creation, rather than creators.) The problem of evil is a serious one -- and has existed for many millenia... Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Troi Date & Time: 05/25/90 11:55:07 Message Number 5057 I mean't permanently green, but I suppose a connection could be made between green women and bad cooking. - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: generous Date & Time: 05/25/90 11:58:45 Message Number 5058 Bush is enough of an idiot, he could very well be a born again christian (no offense Chip, honest) Never heard of Jimmy being a born again christian, maybe he was one of the few that didn't make a fool of him- self regularly. If he isn't an imbecile about it, the president can be any religion he wants in my book. Now Reagan.. "Yes, yes, let's have prayer in the schools" << What a Schmuck! - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/25/90 12:01:20 Message Number 5059 Kill Riker & Wesley in a funny way, like a homosexual love spat, with Wesley being so distraught he blows hiself and Riker... yeahh that's it! - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: DONTHEN Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/25/90 12:03:25 Message Number 5060 Wesley just needs to be a /real/ kid that get's annoyed by saying "Yes sir, Captain sir!" every once in a while. I'd actually like to see him get pissed and kick Riker in the jaw. (Give the guy a few hours practice and I'm sure he could pull off a decent crescent kick) -- write in himj learning martial arts somehow... makes him less of a smart little geek that gets thrown in the plot-line every once in a while when they need a boy wonder. Stage a good fist-fight... or else just have him do some- thing other than be a complete brat or sickly respectful. - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: DONTHEN Subject: Arrgh! Date & Time: 05/25/90 12:11:45 Message Number 5061 Swords against ............ Fill in the blank.. I loved Leiber's originality on the titles. But you're right in my book, I've never read anyone who "Did the barb- aric fantasy thing" better than him. Well.. maybe Brian Daley with "Doomfarers of Coramonde" and the sequel: Starfarers, but he was a little bit more complex, so probably shouldn't be thrown into the the same catagory. - On that note, there's a Lin Carter series I never finished.. one of them was "Hurok of the Stone Age" continued on with "XXXX of the Bronze Age" et al.. but I haven't ever run into any of the others.. anybody? anybody? - Corwyn =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THRUD Subject: Smithsonian? Date & Time: 05/25/90 12:30:13 Message Number 5062 Smithsonian? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: Troi Date & Time: 05/25/90 12:34:00 Message Number 5063 He meant to say Greek. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: -- Date & Time: 05/25/90 12:34:54 Message Number 5064 I told you I dropped out three years ago. I'm occasionally working on my GED though. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: To Angel Date & Time: 05/25/90 12:39:05 Message Number 5065 Or become a GLOW girl. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: KEN OBER Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/25/90 12:40:53 Message Number 5066 So it doesn't matter that there are hundreds of innocent people on the ship, as long as Picard dies with honor? Any honorable person will agree that to save lives of innocents is more honorable than killing them by fighting. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: RUFUS Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/25/90 12:44:57 Message Number 5067 I think fall. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: RUFUS Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/25/90 12:46:40 Message Number 5068 I HATE Boggle!! WORST GAME IN THE WORLD! UNIVERSE! BEYOND!!! whew. A Boggle hating Spellwind dude. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THRUD Subject: green women Date & Time: 05/25/90 12:50:39 Message Number 5070 Jane Fonda is a blue woman =========== From: SPELLWIND To: RUFUS Subject: Arnold Date & Time: 05/25/90 12:53:05 Message Number 5071 Why don't you all leave Arnold Schwarandpeacewasagoodbookbutnotmystyle ilikesomethingabitmorefastpacedandadventurousereidonthavetolistentowin ger alone? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: YNGLING Subject: - Date & Time: 05/25/90 13:05:56 Message Number 5072 I'll take a gander at this one. Paint Your w W Wagon =========== From: SPELLWIND To: JONBOY Subject: YOU Date & Time: 05/25/90 13:17:35 Message Number 5073 What the HELL are you talking about? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: JONBOY Subject: FUCK YOU Date & Time: 05/25/90 13:22:31 Message Number 5074 The subjct says it all. Who do you think you are analyzing me? I have said this before, just not here. I think YOU are overconfident. =========== From: CRYSTAL To: YNGLING Subject: Puzzles... Date & Time: 05/25/90 13:32:18 Message Number 5075 I was raised a Catholic and to be honest with you I could only guess. I would probably guess yes. Because you knew it was a sin to eat meat on that day. Their for you knew you were sinning so you know you will burn in Hell. The same question could be asked about marriage. When the priest dies are you still married? Something my dad asked my mom when the priest died that married them. He was raised Protestent. * CRYSTAL * =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: Liberalism Date & Time: 05/25/90 16:01:44 Message Number 5078 >You don't (gasp!) associate yourself with the likes of fonda and >liberals do you ? Ahem! The sysop of this board IS a liberal, thank you very much! That DOESN'T imply any sort of identity with Jane Fonda; I happen to think that she's a pathetic, simpering, self-important little idiot whose actions during the Viet Nam War were utterly inexcusable. Believing that all liberals are made from the Jane Fonda mold is rather like believing that all conservatives are brainless prats like Dan Quayle or greedy, self-serving hypocrites like Pat Robertson. I /will/ state, as a general rule, that I find most liberals to be less offensive than most conservatives; liberals are less likely to force their morality on me, believe that wanton destruction of everything around them is a neat-o thing to do if you can find a way to profit from it, or in general behave in unacceptable and reckless manners that are immediately hazardous to my freedom and my physical well-being than are liberals. Conservatives are generally more insecure and reactive as a whole than liberals are, as well--if they're not whining about burning in Hell for listening to rock music, they're screaming that the Commies are gonna invade us any day now if we don't get 'em first. Hey, it's an imperfect world. --A liberal Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: JW & You Date & Time: 05/25/90 16:23:29 Message Number 5079 We get the occasional odd Jehovah's Witness through drive-through at McDonalds, and some of 'em can really use a little misdirected hostility. We got one person recently who was so persistent in witnessing for the Lord on McOpCo property that the manager kindly and patiently explained to her that McDonald's does not permit that sort of activity on its premesis and has, in fact, had people arrested for distributing religious propaganda, then suggested that she find a better place to stuff her literature. It wasn't until the last that she took the hint. =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: IBMs Date & Time: 05/25/90 16:27:04 Message Number 5080 Any news yet on the next chapter of the "Apple sues Microsoft for stealing Finder's 'look' and Xerox sues Apple for stealing the SmallTalk 'look'" thing? I'm always rather amused by Apple's remarkable arrogance when they try to convince everyone that they started the windows-icons-and-mice bit when everyone who's anyone knows that Xerox gave Apple the idea... =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Simple Subject Date & Time: 05/25/90 16:30:46 Message Number 5081 >...I'm havin a hard time keepin my motivation up for this - gimmee >a simple subject... Hmm. I'm afraid I'm fresh out of 'em at the moment. I'm starting to get kinda burned out on the debate-the-unprovable bit myself, though... =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: New Subject: Date & Time: 05/25/90 16:37:13 Message Number 5082 >Would a loving God create his "highest form of life" so that they >couldn't understand him/her at all? Now there's an arrogant attitude for you! Perhaps God would never /dream/ of such a thing, but God hasn't created the highest form of life yet. The tool he uses to create life is evolution, and it hasn't finished yet. "Extinction is the destiny of all species...It is the arrogance of humanity to assume they are the be-all and end-all of creation." --Stephen J. Gould =========== From: TURTLE To: -ALL- Subject: Religion (?) Date & Time: 05/25/90 16:43:58 Message Number 5084 Excerpted from OMNI, June 1990: "The times have changed, and so have witches and other practitioners of pagan religions. Where once they could be counted on to concoct a brew of herbs, today's witches, warlocks, and other pagans are just as likely to prepare a potion of bits, bytes, and binary code...[T]he largest occupational groupings of pagan practitioners include computer pro- grammers, software developers, and systems analysts." What? Not members of heavy-metal groups? =========== From: DONTHEN To: TURTLE Subject: New Subject: Date & Time: 05/25/90 17:38:09 Message Number 5085 Of course, Stevie Gould's only problem is that everything he writes has the anthropologically equivalent undertone of everything that Bob Dylan sings: "I'm Stephen J. Gould and you're not." He will talk about everything from fossils to, one suspects, way of spreading brie cheese on crackers as if all the conclusions have already been reached, he knows them, and now that he's shared them with you, end of debate--if you think he should even allow doubt, much less consider the possibility that he's, well, wrong, then you're obviously a deluded, nonscientific Creationist technophobe. Evolution IS still "just a theory," especially when you consider how many different ways people claim the process may work. I have seen so many columns where he blithely dismisses any interpretation of evolutionary data that runs counter to his own that it's kind of turned me off to the guy; he acts as if God came down to him, handed him all the noted He made during creation, and thoughtfully gave him conclusive proof of His Own Non-Existence on the way out. Being one of those weird sf types, I *like* "what if" scenarios, and I don't like having Mr. Gould tell me "well, you're an idiot" if one of those scenarios involves the question, "what if evolution doesn't work quite the way the 1990's scientific community thinks it does?" After all, they don't think it works the same way the 1950's community did, and chances are, the 2030's community will have an entirely new twist that nobody around now, including Stephen J. Gould, will know about. He is the scientific equivalent of George Will: a very good writer of nonfiction, a good explicator of his chosen field and an admirable man in many respects, but a pompous twit nonetheless. =========== From: DONTHEN To: TURTLE Subject: Blue women Date & Time: 05/25/90 17:47:26 Message Number 5086 >> Jane Fonda is a blue woman. > Jane Fonda is a twit. Therefore, Jane Fonda is a blue, female twit? If you made a point here, or in your last anti-Jane spew, it must not have made it out of the message save routine. A whole lot of pointLESS ad hominem attacks seem to have replaced them, making the whole thing sound like one of Dan Flahive's (in)famous Earth First! spews on the Rowrbrazzle BBS. =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: SPELLWIND Subject: Troi Date & Time: 05/25/90 17:58:51 Message Number 5087 Thanks for cluing me in Spellwind... I had no idea. - A "Gee, you're so helpful" Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: TURTLE Subject: IBMs Date & Time: 05/25/90 18:03:28 Message Number 5088 > when everyone who's anyone knows that Xerox gave Apple the idea... Give is a kind word to use... maybe: "Xerox had their technology blatently stolen by Apple. I don't have a problem with Apple claiming that they have a right to use the interface, just that they claim owner- ship to it, and refuse the rights of anyone else to use the GUI concept. - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: *.? Subject: DESQview/X Date & Time: 05/25/90 18:12:15 Message Number 5089 Quarterdeck has announced that they're developing a version of DESQ- view that supports the Xwindows (11) standard. I'll upload a file called desqview.arc that has some more info on it. - Corwyn =========== From: SPELLWIND To: DONTHEN Subject: Jane Fonda Date & Time: 05/25/90 23:02:11 Message Number 5090 Gee, all this Jane Fonda ragging and no Sauron to help? =========== From: THRUD To: SPELLWIND Subject: Smithsonian? Date & Time: 05/25/90 23:39:44 Message Number 5091 nah. watch some ST reruns. hint - I hate it when the Lexington makes a run on the Enterprise. =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: conservatism Date & Time: 05/25/90 23:47:31 Message Number 5092 ok ok - I agree not to hang the Jane fonda wrap on you if you desist from hanging the Dan Quale albatross on me. I still have not idea why George picked that geek for veep - my money says we dump him for Jack Kemp next time around. I'm glad you just trashed conservatives in general and not me in particular last time around - I'd hate to get into a knock down drag out with the operator of such an enjoyable board - no matter what your political shortcomings are. Incidently, the new conservative platform states that you will burn in hell if you DON'T listen to rock music. Rappers and dittyboppers beware.... A Conservative Thrud =========== From: YNGLING To: TURTLE Subject: Whorf Date & Time: 05/26/90 00:11:23 Message Number 5093 Turtle - Whorf couldnt kick my little sisters ass! He hasnt won a fight yet (except on the holodeck). The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: THRUD Subject: D.T. Date & Time: 05/26/90 00:33:42 Message Number 5094 Thrud - You dont drink while school's in session?!? My Ghod man, thats the most important time to toss back a few! I shudder when I try to envision college ( not to mention high school ) without the assistance of Dr Daniel's Magic Healing Elixer....get your priorities straight dammit! The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: JONBOY Subject: hostility Date & Time: 05/26/90 00:42:40 Message Number 5095 Actually, it is my hostile nature which makes me so perfectly suited to my vocation. The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: SPELLWIND Subject: - Date & Time: 05/26/90 00:49:36 Message Number 5096 Nope. I dont recall the exact title of the movie (sorry) but it was the old black and white "horror" flick from the fifties where the "giant" tarantula walks around crushing things...anyway, old squinty eyes was the pilot of the bomber which drops the ineffectual bombs on the beast and he says one line, something like: Im beginning my bombing run. Of course its hard to recognize him with the flight helmet & oxygen mask covering most of his face...but its him. The Yngling =========== From: ANGEL To: RUFUS Subject: Arnold Date & Time: 05/26/90 00:59:13 Message Number 5097 YouclaimArnoldsnameisnotthatdifficulttospellbutIhaveyettoseeanyone- includingmyselfspellitcorrectlysowetrytohideourspellingdifficiencies- behindalameattemptathumorbymakingthenameaslongaspossible. =========== From: ANGEL To: RUFUS Subject: phasers Date & Time: 05/26/90 01:01:17 Message Number 5098 > ...set phasers on emasculate. OOh, ouch! Well, at least the vocal arrangements should be interesting in the 23rd century. Five part harmony: bass, tenor, soprano, alto, and castrato. =========== From: ANGEL To: DONTHEN Subject: Wheaton Date & Time: 05/26/90 01:13:24 Message Number 5099 Did Wheaton really go to the producers and say 'ENOUGH!' Good for him. I always thought Wesley was a twit, but since I've really enjoyed Wil Wheaton in everything else I've seen him do, I assumed the 'twittiness' came from the scripts. I really don't see what purpose his character serves in the series. It irks me to see a kid hot-rodding the Enterprise through the galaxy. It just reeks of 'cute', and somehow I never thought Star Fleet Admiralty accepted cute ideas for staffing of the flag vessel of their fleet. =========== From: ANGEL To: YNGLING Subject: Puzzles... Date & Time: 05/26/90 01:20:23 Message Number 5100 Eating meat on a Friday was a venial sin, not a mortal one. To die with that sin unconfessed (and unabsolved) would just lengthen your stretch in purgatory. Those meat-sinners were probably already parolled by the time the rules were changed. (Though I believe there are still some appeals pending for career-criminal meat-eaters who never revealed their sins in confession.) =========== From: ANGEL To: YNGLING Subject: What? Date & Time: 05/26/90 01:26:49 Message Number 5101 No, I did not receive payment, I am strictly a volunteer over-the-head- skirt-flipper (not available for weddings or bar mitzvahs). The promo was for "The King And I", a show that will be opening at the Players of Sarasota on June 8. I have a pivotal, extremely prominent role in the production (I'm the third wife from the left). =========== From: ANGEL To: DONTHEN Subject: Fonda Date & Time: 05/26/90 01:44:07 Message Number 5102 > ...changed her mind about anything as far as political ethics go > (which she has, publicly Actually, she didn't publicly announce a change of mind or heart. I have the Barbara Walters interview on tape if you would like to see it. She did apologize, but the apology was for the pain that her actions inflicted, not for the actions. She did admit her posing for photos in the gun turrets was not smart. She still stood behind her belief that American prisoners were never tortured, though she apologized for calling the released prisoners liars (there's obviously a logic flaw there). In the interview she expressed pride for her involvement with the North Vietnamese and for her stance against the American government and is still confirmed in her belief that the American bombing of North Vietnam was an illegal act and all soldiers who participated were guilty of war crimes. Actually, the only thing she was sorry for, was that people are still miffed after all these years. I share your opinion that her political views should have no bearing on her pursuit of acting. Yet, it was her prominence as an actress that garnered so much publicity for her 'cause' in the sixties. When you take advantage of your position in the public light to draw attention to your politics, you've got to expect that people will thereafter link your political views to your work. =========== From: ANGEL To: TURTLE Subject: Liberalism Date & Time: 05/26/90 02:05:19 Message Number 5103 Quite a list of negative conservative traits. Sorry, I just can't go along with your expressed ideas. You are saying, in general, liberals are good and conservatives are bad. Do you really consider yourself open-minded on the subject? This is one conservative who is fed-up with self-proclaimed open-minded liberals who assume that I am evil because I do not share their politcal beliefs. The differences between liberals and conservatives are based on politics; it is NOT a confrontation between good and evil. On what do you base your beliefs that only one politcal sect holds the copyright on virtue? I'm not being argumentative here. But frankly, knowing your level of intelligence and antipathy to prejudice, your post frankly shocks me. Try re-reading it, and substituting 'negro' for conservative and 'white' for liberal, and you'll see that that is really on offensive message, one which you would probably delete from the board. (We could play this game with any words, try 'faggots' and 'real men', 'pro-lifers' and 'pro-choicers', ad nauseum). =========== From: DONTHEN To: ANGEL Subject: Liberalism Date & Time: 05/26/90 08:15:50 Message Number 5106 I did go back and re-read Turtle's post trying to substitute other words for "liberal" and "conservative" and it didn't work for much the same reason it wouldn't if that had been, say, a Dave Barry column -- the attributes he was making light of are tagged to a person's political views, not race, sexual preference or what have you. I'd also find his post difficult to take as seriously as you apparently did -- for much the same reason I'd have had if it had been, say, a Dave Barry column. When people are being funny, even to make a point, they are going to be exaggerating things. If *you* go back and re-read that message, you might notice it's not meant to be taken all that seriously--I sure wouldn't, and it's patently obvious Turtle wouldn't, either. I suspect the sysop here is one of the more open-minded people you're likely to run into. If it was any more open, his brain would fall out. Maybe it already has. At any rate, so he's a liberal. He's a liberal because he doesn't like conservative politics. He made fun of some of the things that can be most offensive about reactionary attitudes. He is *not* alone in this. At least he *does* have a sense of humor about it; many conservatives I have talked to seem to seriously believe that by calling someone a "liberal" in a conversation, you can immediately discredit everything they have to say, end of discussion, and that anyone who *admits* to being a liberal is slightly to the left of Abbie Hoffman. I find this a hell of a lot more offensive than I have conservative counterparts to Turtle's spew, which I have seen before-- but not often. Evidently conservatives lack, in addition to common sense, the ability to laugh at themselves. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THRUD Subject: Bush Date & Time: 05/26/90 09:44:34 Message Number 5107 Hopefully, we won't vote vor him the 'next' time around. He was used to being vice president and he Really does next to nothing. I'll especially vote third party if there's another mudslinging routine, besides, it might do the country some good to get a third party pres. You people AREN'T voting for Bob Martinez are you? A sometimes doubtful of his rep. stat Spellwind dude. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: ANGEL Subject: Arnold Date & Time: 05/26/90 09:51:43 Message Number 5108 I told you the spelling, yet you do not use it! I accost thee! =========== From: SPELLWIND To: ANGEL Subject: Wheaton Date & Time: 05/26/90 09:54:41 Message Number 5109 You've seen wheaton in another role? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: ANGEL Subject: What? Date & Time: 05/26/90 09:56:13 Message Number 5110 How about bachelor parties? =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: ANGEL Subject: Liberalism Date & Time: 05/26/90 14:41:21 Message Number 5111 > Try re-reading it, and substituting 'negro' for conservative, and > 'white' for liberal. You can't make this substitution without changing the entire content of the message, giving it no relation to the original message. Conservative and Liberal are terms to describe a persons attitudes, while 'negro' and 'white' simply describe a person's skin color. If I posted a message saying that, in general, I like Anarchists better than fascists, would you say it was offensive. I would not be saying that all fascists are terrible, evil poeple, just that I believe Anarch- ists tend to be slightly nicer people than fascists. I don't persecute people because they are conservative, and I don't believe Turtle does either, however, if someone wants to support George Bush, Dan Quayle, et al.. /then/ I will confront them, and attempt to show them the light of the liberal way.. (just kidding) - Corwyn =========== From: TURTLE To: DONTHEN Subject: New Subject: Date & Time: 05/26/90 16:04:48 Message Number 5113 So what's your point? Mr. Gould's remark on the arrogance of Homo sapiens sapiens still has some bearing on the discussion at hand. (An idea is valid or invalid on its own merits, regardless of the source...) Pthpth! --A valid Turtle By the way, what do you /really/ think of him? =========== From: TURTLE To: DONTHEN Subject: Blue women Date & Time: 05/26/90 16:06:46 Message Number 5114 Yes, but you don't understand. Jane Fonda is a twit. =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: conservatism Date & Time: 05/26/90 16:15:22 Message Number 5115 >Ok ok - I agree not to hang the Jane fonda wrap on you if you agree >not to hang the Dan Quayle albatross on me. Hey, that reminds me of this poem I read once. There was this guy, see, and he was on a boat, and there was this albatross following him. Anyway, the guy killed the albatross (musta been an NRA member--I wonder if he used armor-piercing shells?) and, like, some really un- groovy things happened to him. Anyway, what was my point? Oh yeah. Equating all liberals with the Jane Fonda school of political expression is probably approximately as invalid as equating all conservatives with the Dan Quayle school of foot-in-mouthism. Yeah, that musta been it. --A still liberal Turtle The road to enlightenment, Grasshopper, begins with a single mixed metaphor. The rest are available on an easy payment plan. =========== From: TURTLE To: YNGLING Subject: Whorf Date & Time: 05/26/90 16:21:06 Message Number 5116 >Whorf couldnt kick my little sisters ass! Yes, but would you let her date him? >He hasn't won a fight yet... Actually, that isn't really true, although he seems not to get into brawls quite as regularly as Kirk did. Whorf brings a "conflict is the last measure one should take to solve a problem" mentality with him into the security thing, which is kind of interesting. And the new Enterprise could turn the old Enterprise into space dust before it knew what happened... =========== From: TURTLE To: ANGEL Subject: Liberalism Date & Time: 05/26/90 16:32:22 Message Number 5117 >Try re-reading it...and you'll see that this is really on offensive >message, one which you would probably delete from the board. Hmm? Delete an offensive message from the public eye because I don't agree with it? What a remarkably...well, conservative idea. I don't engage in censorship, ever. At any rate, I'm actually rather surprised that you actually found that message offensive (!), and even more astonished that you would seroiusly consider it on par with, say, racism (I did the "substitute the word "negro" for "conservative" thing, and it didn't make any sense. Did you?)...or for that matter, take it seriously at all. No, I don't automatically consider all liberals "good" (re-read the bits about Jane Fonda) or all conservatives "evil;" no, I don't refuse to associate with conservatives or anything equally silly. I was also going to respond to your message in a much more lighthearted fashion until I hit the bit about deleting the original; ironically, that is EXACTLY the sort of "I don't like it--get rid of it" attitude that actually DOES turn me off the conservative ideal. (There's something remarkably poetic there...) Anyway, the upshot of this rather incoherent message is that if you took the original seriously (and I was relieved to note that the person at whom it was aimed did not), you deserved to. --A liberal and anti-censorship Turtle =========== From: ANGEL To: DONTHEN Subject: Liberalism Date & Time: 05/26/90 20:32:32 Message Number 5118 > ... conservatives I have talked to seem to seriously believe that > by calling a someone a "liberal" ... you can immediately discredit > everything they have to say. And I find that attitude offensive as well. Turtle's message seems to be the same attitude, except aimed in a different direction. And, yes, I am humorless about negative stereotypes of all kind. It's most disturbing in people that I know to be intelligent and well-versed in current topics, such as the great hard-shelled one. =========== From: ANGEL To: SPELLWIND Subject: Arnold Date & Time: 05/26/90 20:36:28 Message Number 5119 > I told you the spelling, yet you do not use it! I accost thee! I accost thee in return, sir. You misspelled it in your correction, check the message. =========== From: ANGEL To: TURTLE,DONTHEN,ET AL Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 05/26/90 20:47:16 Message Number 5120 "In general, I find whites less offensive than most blacks ... or in general behave in unacceptable and reckless manners that are immediately hazardous to my freedom and my physical well being than are whites. Blacks are in general, more insecure and reactive as a whole than whites are, as well." Substitution worked for me. You don't find this strange? Jimmy the Greek got fired for less, and our least favorite 60 minutes commentator got suspended for far less. =========== From: ANGEL To: TURTLE Subject: censorship Date & Time: 05/26/90 20:51:44 Message Number 5121 When talking censorship, I was thinking more of the Den than Altered Reality .... was recalling times back when Donthen was in objection to the faggot-bashing posts. Believe he deleted several from general reading. Does this make him a conservative? =========== From: DONTHEN To: ANGEL Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 05/26/90 20:55:51 Message Number 5122 The substitution parses, but makes no sense out of context. Do you also do this to George Carlin routines? I have seen Turtle's message pass by the monitor several times and still find it difficult to understand how it can be taken so deadly seriously. Yes, it's probable that us flaming liberals see a grain of truth in what he was saying -- if we didn't, we wouldn't be liberals. I don't honestly see how this can be considered "conservative bashing." It pales in comparison to even mild flame wars I've been involved in, is patently, obviously tongue-in-cheek ("...believe that wanton destruction of the environment is a neat-o keen thing to do" is Jay Leno commentary, not Walter Cronkite), and when it comes right down to it, isn't even nice to liberals. It says they're LESS LIKELY to do those things than conservatives are. This entire chain is following the same logic people use when they say "The Desert Peach" (a comic about Rommel's homosexual half-brother) is either denigrating to gays or teaches our children The Wrong Values, depending on whether the attacker is more liberal or more conservative. What's wrong with poking fun at conservatives? God knows I've had to put up with a lot much more mean-spirited comments when I make such patently liberal statements as "wouldn't making flag-burning illegal be contrary to the ideals of the Bill of Rights?" When a conservative who wants to "attack" me shows as much creativity as Turtle's post did, not to mention a decided lack of venom, I'm usually glad, considering the alternatives I've seen. By the way, if you got really offended when you read Jonathon Swift's "A Modest Proposal", he didn't really want to cook the babies. =========== From: DONTHEN To: ANGEL Subject: censorship Date & Time: 05/26/90 21:06:53 Message Number 5123 The only message I have ever deleted from my board was one from Sauron to you which exceeded my personal vulgarity quotient. It was not in the homosexuality debate. Some of those messages were lost in a disk crash. Actually, that's not true. I deleted some of my own messages in that chain, before anyone read them, because I thought they were too nasty with respect to one or two people. The only thing I would not tolerate on my board, and will probably never tolerate, are pointless ad hominem attacks on specific other users. This does not make me a censor, conservative, liberal or otherwise. =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: ANGEL Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 05/26/90 21:45:15 Message Number 5124 While you may be very serious about negative stereotypes, (and ethnic jokes can be a nasty contributor to this) there is still such a thing as overreaction. Turtle's message, even taken completetly seriously, was /still/ describing people in terms of their philosophies, /not/ in terms of some uncontrollable characteristic. By substiting "Negro" <- which is in itself a loaded term, and "White" You are taking liberties with his message. Doing so has about as much relevance as substitutuing the same words for "cherry " and "chocoloate" in this sentence: I like cherry, but I can't stand chocolate. In a nutshell, as Donthen pointed out earlier.. Turtle is a very open- minded person about almost anything except MS-DOS. Failure to recognize humor on this board can be dangerous to your sensibilities. - Corwyn "There are two kinds of fool: One says, 'This is old, and therefore good.' One says, 'This is new, and therefore better.' " - Bruce Sterling "The Shockwave Rider" =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: Bill & Ted Date & Time: 05/26/90 22:26:13 Message Number 5125 > Jason Hey, dude, does this mean you like to make living-dead axe murderers your role models? > They're basically the same as Bill & Ted Never thought of it that way... =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/26/90 22:43:26 Message Number 5126 > You won't see aSt movie until after a TNG movie... Theoreticaly, yeah, but they are trying REALLY hard to get something in production for ST's 25th Anniversary (Fall 1991)... ST:TNG will be on for around five or six seasons. After that, they may be doing a TNG movie in 1994... There is NO way they will be doing an original Trek movie that far in the future. The original cast is getting too old to do a movie in 1994 or 1995. Concievably, one of the cast members may have died by then. Actually, there has been a big controversy in Trek fandom over a supposed "Academy Days" movie. This may be a cover up to hide a movie in production. Paramount actually wants to make the movie, but Gene Roddenberry doesn't want them to do the Academy thing. =========== From: BEATLE To: KEN OBER Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/26/90 22:50:56 Message Number 5127 > GEY WARP ENGINES THAT ARE RELIABLE ALREADY... They are reliable... > (Get a cloaking device, too...) No can do, dude. It just won't happen. NO Federation ship uses cloaking devices. Actually, ships like the Enterprise don't need them. The ships that use them (Klingon Bird Of Prey, Romulan Warbird) are for combat, not exploration. There isn't a reason to get a cloaking device on the Enterprise. =========== From: BEATLE To: THRUD Subject: brain usage Date & Time: 05/26/90 23:04:12 Message Number 5128 > love the cleavage queen. Troi? Yes, she's quite an interesting character, and interesting to look at. > I could do without wes... I dunno why, but I've always liked Wesley. Sometimes, the writers throw the idea out into left field, it is a neat thing. They're doing better with him this season. =========== From: BEATLE To: KEN OBER Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/26/90 23:16:01 Message Number 5129 > and they cloak /all/ of THEIR ships... BZZZTT! Wrong, dude! Think back to the original Trek series. The original Klingon ships weren't cloaked. Also, I'd like you to point out the episode where someone says, "All Klingon and Romulan ships have cloaking devices." > because they get attacked every other episode... The Enterprise gets attacked in less than 1/3 of the episodes. Besides that, the cloaking devices would cause the ever-annoyed Romulans to think the Federation is covertly sneaking into the Neutral Zone or some thing like that. Not too good when negotiating peace. =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: brain usage Date & Time: 05/26/90 23:23:09 Message Number 5130 > Whorf That's Worf. > --A Star Trek Turtle That's interesting to know... > I want to congratulate the man who designed her uniform... Add me to that list, also put me on the list to fire the guy who designed her uniform from the first season (the green one).. =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/26/90 23:27:42 Message Number 5131 > Watch for Aliens III Do you think that this new sequel will remain faithful to the first two films, or do you think that someone is going to turn it into blood-and- guts-for-fun? =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: Spelling Date & Time: 05/26/90 23:31:34 Message Number 5132 > It's Schwarznegger. No, it's Schwarzenegger.= =========== From: BEATLE To: THRUD Subject: brain usage Date & Time: 05/26/90 23:34:10 Message Number 5133 > Triv: Wasn't it the Daystrom institute?? =========== From: BEATLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Troi Date & Time: 05/26/90 23:36:26 Message Number 5134 >> Green women are usually very beautiful women. I think you messed up. =========== From: BEATLE To: KEN OBER Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/26/90 23:41:26 Message Number 5135 > Romulans don't do the research thing. WRONG! > "They're a research vessel, so we can threaten to fire on 'em." Oh, okay, so point out this episode. Also, don't point out any episode unless you can get a quote similar to the one you made. =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/26/90 23:44:00 Message Number 5136 > or is it Alien III or Alienses? Well, technically it should be Alien III. The fact that the second title wasn't the same as the first didn't stop the idiot who named "Rambo III"... Alien III will be out in summer 1991, along with Terminator II =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: Arnold Date & Time: 05/26/90 23:49:50 Message Number 5137 >...oop OP oop OP OP, oop OP walla walla bing bang Don't you know ANYTHING? It's "ooh-ee, ooh-ah-ah, bing bang, walla walla bing bang." =========== From: BEATLE To: TREE BEARD Subject: skirts II Date & Time: 05/26/90 23:53:37 Message Number 5138 > Siscal and Ubert...sequals...ect. all. I hate when people misspell etc. =========== From: KEN OBER To: BEATLE Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/27/90 00:21:50 Message Number 5139 Look, it is good to have anyways....If the enterprise was /just/ for exploration, then why have PHOTON TORPEDOS and PHASERS!? They could just add the cloaking device as part of their defense... =========== From: KEN OBER To: BEATLE Subject: DWEEBS and TNG! Date & Time: 05/27/90 00:24:10 Message Number 5140 Ack! I never knew you were capable of writing such as [In Bart Voice] ssssssssssstttuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupiiiiiid message! Anyways, name an episode where they say all the birds of prey have cloaking devices -- THE ROMULANS HAVE CLOAKING, THE KLINGONS HAVE CLOAKING, WHY CAN'T THE FEDERATION!? sheesh! > Not too good when negotiating peace. A defensive weapon isn't good? The best offense is a good defense! That's why the cold war is over, dude.... =========== From: KEN OBER To: BEATLE Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/27/90 00:28:57 Message Number 5141 Derek, you are an ... well, I won't say ... ANyways, name an episode where the Romulans did the research thing..... > Oh, okay, so point out this episode. Also, don't point out any episod > unless you can get a quote similar to the one you made. Beatle, you're an ... Never mind -- Okay, THINK ABOUT IT! Picard /always/ runs away from war ships -- But look at him and /research/ ship or ships with little weaponry -- He threatens to go and blow them across the galaxy if they don't get out of his way -- YOU GO LOOK for the episode -- I have a life, and I don't devote it to watching reruns of TNG.....You have them all memorized anyways..... =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: Poem Date & Time: 05/27/90 01:04:03 Message Number 5142 The Rime of the Ancient Mariner. Also an Iron Maiden song. For a god of love and mercy, he killed ALOT of people in that rime poem thing dude An Iron Maiden Headbanging Spellwind dude. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: ANGEL Subject: Arnold Date & Time: 05/27/90 01:08:26 Message Number 5143 So I forgot an 'E', I accost thee! =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/27/90 01:14:26 Message Number 5144 You read Starlog too, eh? (I get it with my Fangoria, Gorezone(sister mags to SL, Fango's past it's 11th ann.) I wouldn't accept less) I DONT like the Academy idea. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: ST Date & Time: 05/27/90 01:19:03 Message Number 5145 Yo! I LIKED seeing Sarek again! You think they'll follow through with the Spock appearance on one show? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: Aliens III Date & Time: 05/27/90 01:20:28 Message Number 5146 I honestly think many want the movie to stay true, but I believe some AIC (asshole in charge) will make it B&G. I'll be disappointed, but I'll still watch it. I DOUBT they'll star Sig Weaver. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: KEN OBER Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/27/90 01:25:38 Message Number 5147 Phasers are Very effective in clearing a planetside of buiuldings, etc . Example: The world is going to implode, shooting planetparts across the galaxy. The planet is empty, but a LARGE implosive is in an abando- ned building. ZTRWW! The implosive is gone and the nearby planets are saved. Heh! =========== From: BEATLE To: YNGLING Subject: Whorf Date & Time: 05/27/90 01:41:36 Message Number 5148 Worf hasn't had many fights on away missions. If one erupts, it is usually stopped. The purpose of Starfleet is to promote peace, not violcence. Worf is a Klingon. If you were to tell a Klingon that he couldn't kick your little sister's ass, then you would be sorry for the rest of your two minutes of life. =========== From: BEATLE To: ANGEL Subject: What? Date & Time: 05/27/90 01:46:03 Message Number 5149 Okay, then, what does flapping your skirt over your head have to do with "The King And I"?? Forgive me if it has something to do with the plot, I don't know it. =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: Wheaton Date & Time: 05/27/90 01:49:49 Message Number 5150 > You've seen wheaton in another role? Did you see the movie "Stand By Me"? He was in that. He was also in a couple low budget horror flicks. I can't remember offhand what else he's done ... =========== From: BEATLE To: KEN OBER Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/27/90 02:00:25 Message Number 5151 > add the cloaking device as part of their defense... Well, phasers and photon torpedos are useless unless you de-cloak. All the time the Enterprise takes to de-cloak would leave them vulnerable. Also, they would mainly need it to avoid Romulans. Remember, the Romulans invented it. They could detect an inferior version quite easily ... =========== From: BEATLE To: KEN OBER Subject: DWEEBS and TNG! Date & Time: 05/27/90 02:03:29 Message Number 5152 Would you tell me why the message was stupid? Anyways, the Romulans are notorious for overreacting. If a Federation starship came anywhere near Romulan space, they would probably assume it was an act of war. Well, they would also assume that if the ship was uncloaked too... By the way, I never said that ALL the Birds of Prey had cloaking devices... as a matter of fact, lemme look at my message. =========== From: BEATLE To: KEN OBER Subject: DWEEBS and TNG! Date & Time: 05/27/90 02:07:36 Message Number 5153 Just as I thought, I said nothing about Birds of Prey... Anyway, if you pay attention to the goings-on, the Federation takes this stance on the Romulan situation: don't provoke them. Picard has gone out of his way to avoid a battle between themselves and Romulan ships. I don't know why the Federation can't cloak, maybe they just won't. Anyways, look at it this way: What use is the cloak? If they are cloaked while exploring, then they will be [supposedly] invisible to an enemy. The Federation can detect a cloaking device. The Romulans should be able to. The cloaking device MAY be useful in dealing with the Ferengi, or a less-advanced enemy, but give me a practical scenario where the cloaking device comes in handy. =========== From: BEATLE To: KEN OBER Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/27/90 02:13:19 Message Number 5154 No, I don't have them memorized. Anyway, you got yourself into the mess by making your claims. I responded and asked where you came up with it. What did you expect? Anyway, the Romulans did the "research thing" in an episode called "Contagion". They were interested in the planet that the Federation was studying. =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: ST Date & Time: 05/27/90 02:16:45 Message Number 5155 They already tried doing the Spock thing. Leonard Nimoy required an outrageous fee, and they wouldn't pay it. I could dig up the Starlog I read it in. =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: Aliens III Date & Time: 05/27/90 02:18:07 Message Number 5156 > I DOUBT they'll star Sig Weaver. That sounds logical. Maybe the heroine of the new film will be Newt. =========== From: TREE BEARD To: BEATLE Subject: skirts III Date & Time: 05/27/90 02:31:13 Message Number 5157 Perhaps you should teack my Engish class... It is worse than English 101. I go to Ringling, were english is a foriegn language. I may not be able to spell correctly but I can read and write. I agree that there is an illiterasy (sp.) problem in the U.S., but I read about three books a day. I just never have concentrated on my spelling. I am more of a concept type of person. I look at the whole picture, not each individual word. I geuss Ill never be a CPA... Oh well, what will the world do now? Perhaps there will be a movie called "Spelling III", Jason takes over Junior High... pretty scary, put I have my 5 bucks ready! Ill work on it (sp) though Arnold SwartzenTree... no one else can spell his name, so maybe we should hold a spelling bee! =========== From: TREE BEARD To: TREE BEARD Subject: revision Date & Time: 05/27/90 02:41:01 Message Number 5158 >perhaps you should TEACH >three books a WEEK >ILLITERACY >SWARTZINEGER =========== From: ANGEL To: DONTHEN Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 05/27/90 02:54:50 Message Number 5159 He didn't really want to cook the babies? Damn! And I had the protest letter all typed up and ready to be sent. Hey, Donthen, Turtle, lighten up. Did I say I was deadly serious ... no, YOU did. I must admit, I'm delighted with all the response to the post (this is the most mail I've ever received). You all seem to think I'm pissed; I'm not. I said I found the statements offensive, that doesn't mean I'm mad. (Gee, and I'm the one being called humorless!) Still say it scans properly, just didn't want to retype the whole message, so I excerpted. Anyway, there seems to be a major problem with this wondrous electronic communication, in that the words of the message cannot carry inflection and body language. But from the reaction, I'll continue to post 'conservative controversy'. Apparently you wacko liberals need some jolting now and again. It's just a shame that conservatives are not allowed the same freedom as liberals in taking offense to stereotyping (sardonic grin on face, small sigh, ending with a wink). =========== From: ANGEL To: DONTHEN Subject: censorship Date & Time: 05/27/90 03:05:16 Message Number 5160 You deleted a message from Sauron to me?!!!!!! Just how vulgar was it (even more vulgar than other things he's posted -- hard to believe) =========== From: ANGEL To: SPELLWIND Subject: ST Date & Time: 05/27/90 03:12:27 Message Number 5161 I doubt they'll have a Spock appearance in TNG, since in 'Sarek' he was referred to in the past tense, along with Amanda. (Of course, Tasha was dead, and that didn't stop her from reappearing on the series.) =========== From: ANGEL To: BEATLE Subject: What? Date & Time: 05/27/90 03:14:46 Message Number 5162 re: skirt-flipping in 'King And I' The King of Siam is about to visited by an English delegation intent to turn Siam into a protectorate (that means they're gonna grab the country and not let any of the locals hold a higher position than elephant catcher) because the King is a 'barbarian'. To prove that he is civilized the King plans various events, including presentation of his wives, dressed in proper Western attire. However, the ladies have heard the rumors that the English are quite nasty and eat small children, so they're not too keen on meeting the delegation. When the wives are presented, one of the Englishman flashes his monocle (the better to ogle the ladies), and they naturally assume that it is the evil eye, and flip their skirts to hide from the evil eye as they rush off-stage to safety. Of course, earlier it has been established that in the rush to get things prepared, the details of providing undergarments had been neglected... =========== From: ANGEL To: ET AL Subject: humorless Date & Time: 05/27/90 03:25:32 Message Number 5163 Angel sat at the piano trying to calm herself. She perhaps should not have shouted at the old magician, even though he did not show a bit of gratitude for her wondrous gift. The day had not gone well. She was still upset over the nasty questioning of the local law enforcement officials ... and to think, they had the nerve to call her humorless! There seemed no immediate conversation occuring that she could leap into, so she played the piano. The melancholy song matched her mood. "Once in a time that seems so long ago In the midst of a place called the Land of the Dead, My withering soul sought a place of repose Where my mind could be lost; but I found it instead. Where lyrical, spherical denizens rampaged With dragons and turtles and wizards without dread. Risk was abundant, all bridges were warped And insanity reigned in the Land of the Dead. I knew all of the sub-human creatures that dwelt there -- The stainless-steel lover, the starry seeress, The dark-haired, fiery tongued siren, A tall prophet, an empath, a gentle miser, a munchkin or two, A foot-chewing beast, a Scholar and a Priest, And a unicorn, and me ... and you. I spent meaningless days there, that meant very much. I'd try to move a spider's web and run from the fountain's touch, While totalitary individuals battled over the world. And though we said Madagascar was the key, We knew the key was our love. Now I am lost in a Land called Life. And I sympathize with souls that perished centuries ago, Who knew the glory of Camelot and prayed for its return, As I pray for my Once-and-Future Land I left so long, long ago. =========== From: THRUD To: YNGLING Subject: Friday, 4 pm Date & Time: 05/27/90 08:33:28 Message Number 5167 I used to agree with you.....I tried to drink and tan my way through SPJC about ten years ago - which is why I've been painting houses ever since. What I said was I don't drink on weekdays while I'm in school - I study Mon - Thur, look out Friday ! I think I'll go study the menu at the Sarasota Brewing Company... A Thirsty Thrud =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: Liberalism Date & Time: 05/27/90 08:47:33 Message Number 5168 dittl A conservative and anti-censorship Thrud =========== From: THRUD To: BEATLE Subject: we have a winne Date & Time: 05/27/90 08:50:45 Message Number 5169 Exactly right - Dr Carl Daystrom - inventor of M5 and one of Spocks heros til he went whacko - you win an all-expenses paid tour of Starfleet command. Just go to Frisco and ask a cop where the "nuclear wessels are. =========== From: THRUD To: DONTHEN Subject: self amusement Date & Time: 05/27/90 08:59:47 Message Number 5170 Jeez, for such a champion of open-minded ness you sure get nasty. While a point may be made that this conservative is lacking in common sense, how can you possibly say we lack the ability to laugh at ourselves ? when I look back at the likes of tricky Dickie ,Al Haig, Gerry Ford etc, I have to laugh to keep from crying. Why do you think we all escape to an Alter Reality ? A laughing Thrud =========== From: THRUD To: SPELLWIND Subject: Bush Date & Time: 05/27/90 09:07:35 Message Number 5171 Unfortunately, the job of being pres has gotten to be so big that merely not screwing up the world can be called a success. Big George has / and will continue to manage that. Nothing flashy, but as long as the status quo is maintained, any of us with the talant, ambition and willingness to work hard can grow up to be anything we want, exept perhaps a firetruck. Vote for Bob (i think i'll change my opinion 180') martinez ? jeez, even I'm not THAT loyal a Republican. =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: neckwear Date & Time: 05/27/90 09:14:43 Message Number 5172 Let me see if I got that straight - a guy hung a grasshopper around his neck, joined the NWA and became Jack Brisco's tag team partner? I'm confused. Maybe I should try to get current on my enlightenment paymets. Didja ever notice that some folks are lacking in the sense of humor department ? The ever conservative Thrud - not just another brick in the wall =========== From: DONTHEN To: BEATLE Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/27/90 10:47:46 Message Number 5173 The original script for Alien III was written by William Gibson, author of NEUROMANCER, the novel that effectively defined the "Cyberpunk" subgenre of science fiction. If they used his script, there's some promise. If they didn't, well... At any rate, I believe the movie is being directed by Ridley Scott, which means -- if nothing else -- it'll have a lot of fantastic panorama shots and bright-lights-against-black fx visuals. =========== From: DONTHEN To: ANGEL Subject: censorship Date & Time: 05/27/90 10:53:29 Message Number 5174 I don't remember the specifics of the message but it was something that made "sand-niggers" look relatively tame. As for you not being "deadly serious", your tone in the messages was serious enough that Turtle spent most of yesterday mentally wandering between anger and bafflement. Telling him he should be deleting messages is something he /does/ take deadly seriously; if you really didn't want this /type/ of reaction, posting something in a less morally outraged stance might have been helpful. As you pointed out, all we have to go on are words, not tonal inflection. =========== From: DONTHEN To: THRUD Subject: self amusement Date & Time: 05/27/90 11:00:04 Message Number 5175 Well, I didn't say /everyone/ (on either side) had the inability to laugh. We have Ted Kennedy and Gary Hart. I suppose we also have Jesse Jackson, although you can have him if you'd like. (Maybe he can be convinced to run with somebody else's party next time, like New Alliance or whatever.) And I never claimed to be a NICE champion of anything. =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: DONTHEN Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/27/90 12:43:52 Message Number 5176 > The original script for Alien III was written by William Gibson.... > .. If they used his script, there's some promise. Geez.. /some/ promise?? I've wanted to see a William Gibson novel as a movie since I first read any of his stuff! - Corwyn =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: StarTrekkies Date & Time: 05/27/90 13:14:59 Message Number 5177 Compare St ST:TNG to D&D: Humans Humans Elves Vulcans Drow(dark elves) Romulans Orcs Klingons no dwarves, though. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: Wheaton Date & Time: 05/27/90 13:17:36 Message Number 5178 THAT WAS HIM?!?!?!?!?!?? Whoa! Awesome revalation dude. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: Ferengi Date & Time: 05/27/90 13:20:21 Message Number 5179 Hell,those Ferengi ships warpFast! =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/27/90 13:21:11 Message Number 5180 And don't forget the planet where you can't touch women and they wear weird headgear and throw Krull things. The klingons were trying to get the planet's dilithium. They wouldn't have known about it if they hadn't researched it. The episode where McCoy gave birth to that woman's kid. (I didn't mean that the way it came out.) =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: Aliens III Date & Time: 05/27/90 13:24:59 Message Number 5181 Probably Newt's child or something. I hope the artificialintelligence Bishop(or a more advenced mode) is in this one. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: ANGEL Subject: ST Date & Time: 05/27/90 13:28:45 Message Number 5182 I didn't hear a metion of spock and I watched it three times. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THRUD Subject: Richard Nixon Date & Time: 05/27/90 13:44:01 Message Number 5183 I hope you don't have a problem with Richard Nixon, he was my favori- te president. He didn't plan the Watergate scandal, it was his re-elect- ion com that planned it. He did alot of good things i~while he was in o ffice, and even today he's interviewed on T.V. and in books on his views His latest book is In the Arena. A compiling of his memoirs. =========== From: BEATLE To: THRUD Subject: winne? Date & Time: 05/27/90 14:19:39 Message Number 5184 Oh boy! Neato! Let's hop on the next plane out... Anyway, any idea what a cop would REALLY do if you walked up and asked for "Nuclear wessels?" =========== From: BEATLE To: DONTHEN Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/27/90 14:21:34 Message Number 5185 > I believe the movie is being directed by Ridley Scott... Really? Hmmm... that sounds quite promising. I liked the first one better than "Aliens", so if he's going to do this sequel, it should be excellent. =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: StarTrekkies Date & Time: 05/27/90 14:24:54 Message Number 5186 > Compare St ST:TNG to D&D: Interesting... there are probably aliens you could compare to dwarves, though... =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: Aliens III Date & Time: 05/27/90 14:26:49 Message Number 5187 > I hope...Bishop...is in this one. There more than likely will be an android of some type. Maybe they will feel that idea was exhausted, but it is an interesting thing to have... =========== From: C.C.A. To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Question Date & Time: 05/27/90 15:58:58 Message Number 5188 He just told some influencial people something they didn't want to hear. =========== From: C.C.A. To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Real dips Date & Time: 05/27/90 16:00:55 Message Number 5189 Thanx, I'll try. =========== From: C.C.A. To: RAVEN Subject: Real dips Date & Time: 05/27/90 16:03:02 Message Number 5190 Yes, we are. =========== From: C.C.A. To: RAVEN Subject: Waaaay far out Date & Time: 05/27/90 16:04:28 Message Number 5191 For some reason I wish I could UN-post it. =========== From: C.C.A. To: SAURON Subject: Gimme that.... Date & Time: 05/27/90 16:06:24 Message Number 5192 WHAT??? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: C.C.A. Subject: Question Date & Time: 05/27/90 19:49:11 Message Number 5193 Ooh! look who's back! =========== From: TURTLE To: ANGEL Subject: Liberalism Date & Time: 05/27/90 20:30:30 Message Number 5195 >And I find that attitude [liberal-bashing] offensive as well. So do I. That's why I was parodying it. >And, yes, I am humorless about negative stereotypes of all kinds. Next week...The lighter side of the abortion debate! --A humorless, conservative-bashing Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: ANGEL Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 05/27/90 20:34:31 Message Number 5196 >Substitution worked for me. Uh-huh. I'm still not convinced. Try substituting "negro" fro "drug dealer" and "white" for "police officer" in an article about cleaning up inner cities, and you'll end up with a remarkably racist article. You can make anything you want say anything you want as long as you can make any substitutions you want, if you don't mind totally destroying the original meaning. What's your point? =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: DWEEBS and TNG! Date & Time: 05/27/90 20:48:03 Message Number 5197 >A defensive weapon isn't good? A defensive weapon is an oxymoron. >The best offense is a good defense! Maybe so, but the best blueberry pancakes can be found at Bob Evan's! =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: Poem Date & Time: 05/27/90 20:49:50 Message Number 5198 >The Rime of the Ancient Mariner. I knew it was either that or "Kubla Khan." I hate when I get my classic-poetry-that's-been-turned-into-rock-songs reading mixed up. "In Xanadu did Kubla Khan decree, Water, water everywhere and not a cave of ice!" =========== From: TURTLE To: ANGEL Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 05/27/90 20:59:39 Message Number 5199 >(sardonic grin on face, small sigh, ending with a wink.) You're a really aggravating person, you know that? =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: Liberalism Date & Time: 05/27/90 21:06:11 Message Number 5201 >dittl And gruphedl to you, too! =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: neckwear Date & Time: 05/27/90 21:09:37 Message Number 5202 >Didja ever notice that some folks are lacking in the sense of humor >department? The what? Is that next to the audio/video department? Actually, I was in a Wal-Mart once and I ran into Sam Walton--literally. It was kinda neat...next time I do something like that, perhaps I should ask him about the sense of humor department. He drives a pickup, you know. Putting the horse beside the pickup is better than beating it at water. People who drink water from glasses shouldn't throw stones, because a rolling stone gathers no moss. That isn't terribly helpful if you're lost in a forest, of course, because if the moss can't grow then it can't grow on the north side of the tree. Moss is always greener on the other side of the fence. Working both sides of the fence is generally a rosy proposition, since every rose has its thorns, and the thorn is mightier than the sword. Party on, dude! =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/27/90 21:26:34 Message Number 5203 >I liked the first one better than "Aliens"... Heretic! Blasphemer! Republican! The second movie was /much/ better... more complex, better characterization...thpth! =========== From: ANGEL To: DONTHEN Subject: censorship Date & Time: 05/27/90 21:35:33 Message Number 5204 > telling him he should be deleting messages Come again? I never said he SHOULD do anything. Perhaps you're reading my messages with more moral outrage than was there. =========== From: ANGEL To: SPELLWIND Subject: watch it again Date & Time: 05/27/90 21:37:53 Message Number 5205 Watch 'Sarek' again. While Picard was wallowing in Sarek's emotions he said, roughly 'Spock, Amanda did you know, Perrin do you know I loved you?' =========== From: ANGEL To: TURTLE Subject: Liberalism Date & Time: 05/27/90 21:42:25 Message Number 5206 > Next week ... The lighter side of the abortion debate! How can you seriously consider delving into light-hearted areas of serious subjects, especially when there are so many vital issues that need discussion. Like the possible extinction of futzpahs. =========== From: ANGEL To: TURTLE Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 05/27/90 21:45:04 Message Number 5207 Ooh. Now you're getting into territories that others are already arguing. There are groups who already claim that the war on drugs has become a racist battle, since it is primarily waged by white police officers against black and hispanic drug-dealers (and before I get jumped all over for posting this .... No! This is not MY belief. We're all getting somewhat humorless about posts. Not long ago, Turtle, I posted a message to you concerning original intent on the freedom to bear arms and everyone was jumping down my throat because I was against gun control. That also is not MY belief. Can't we discuss different schools of thought without everyone believing that we ADVOCATE those schools of thought?) =========== From: ANGEL To: TURTLE Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 05/27/90 21:52:07 Message Number 5208 > You're a really aggravating person, you know that? Thank you. I've made that my purpose in life. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: Pancakes Date & Time: 05/27/90 22:37:11 Message Number 5209 Have you tried banana nut pancakes? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: Poem Date & Time: 05/27/90 22:38:27 Message Number 5210 Water, water everywhere, and not a drop to drink. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/27/90 22:41:15 Message Number 5211 Totally. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: ANGEL Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 05/27/90 22:43:48 Message Number 5212 How about the authenticity of world maps from Iran? =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: PARTY!!! Date & Time: 05/27/90 22:46:13 Message Number 5213 So, when's the next Alter Reality party? =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: Denny Date & Time: 05/27/90 23:28:05 Message Number 5214 >Oh well...so DID you just get married?? Nope, I had just been to Cobalt [footnote 1]. Actually, I had just been to see TMNT at the midnight movies. But before I was at TMNT, I was at Cobalt. Footnote 1: Cobalt is the name of our Prom. Our 'prom' started out in the chemistry room as a simple pot luck dinner. Rumour is that someone spilled a bottle of cobalt (to bad it wasn't sodium in the punch), hence the name Cobalt. Since then, Cobalt has grown into a full blown prom. =========== From: RUFUS To: JONBOY Subject: abuse Date & Time: 05/27/90 23:33:03 Message Number 5215 Seeing how I'm usually not at home when you are most likely at work, and my tendency to forget things [I know of a certain Fox who forgets things more than I do], we could just work it out via E-mail. If you could just leave an address and some directions (I always have a street map of Sarasota handy), I could make it your way sometime. =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/27/90 23:39:23 Message Number 5216 Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........... You die, the girl dies, /everybody/ dies. =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Griffin dormant Date & Time: 05/27/90 23:40:53 Message Number 5217 >convert...probation...recorder lesson...medieval costume, giving a >lecture...ice cream Cool! Why doesn't the catalog for NC mention these things? =========== From: RUFUS To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/27/90 23:42:44 Message Number 5218 Re: Killing Riker & Wesley How about transporting a ball into their stomachs. Once the ball is inside, big spikes shoot out. O.K. So I'm in a sick mood, but I really can't stand Riker, Picard, the good doctor. Wesley I can live with. =========== From: RUFUS To: ANGEL Subject: Wheaton Date & Time: 05/27/90 23:56:54 Message Number 5219 I'd rather see Wheaton "hot-rodding the Enterprise through the galaxy" than Ken Ober. ...gee Ken, that smells like burning brakes. =========== From: RUFUS To: ANGEL Subject: Puzzles... Date & Time: 05/27/90 23:58:28 Message Number 5220 Beef, real food for real people. Even on Fridays. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: Arnold Date & Time: 05/28/90 00:12:22 Message Number 5221 >Don't you know ANYTHING? It's "ooh-ee, ooh-ah-ah, bing bang, walla >walla bing bang." If I was in anymore of a fouler mood, and I had enough gas, I'd probably drive up to your house and give you a massive wedgie. Besides, I'm quoting the Chipmunks version. =========== From: RUFUS To: DONTHEN Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/28/90 00:24:51 Message Number 5222 I heard they trashed Gibson's script in favor of another. Or maybe vice-versa. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: DWEEBS and TNG! Date & Time: 05/28/90 00:30:51 Message Number 5223 >Maybe so, but the best blueberry pancakes can be found at Bob Evan's! Yea, but Ken makes some pretty mean french toast. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: neckwear Date & Time: 05/28/90 00:33:07 Message Number 5224 "Moss grows on the north side of arc welding, so I must be heading west...I think."-Gadget =========== From: RUFUS To: SPELLWIND Subject: Poem Date & Time: 05/28/90 00:35:56 Message Number 5225 >Water, water everywhere, and not a drop to drink. Actually, I've got a cup full of water right here, and it's quite drinkable. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: RUFUS Subject: Water Date & Time: 05/28/90 00:48:29 Message Number 5226 Not if it's tap water. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: Y'ALL Subject: Smoking Date & Time: 05/28/90 00:50:08 Message Number 5227 Somebody requested a debate, you got it. Smoker's rights. A Spellwind dude lighting up now. =========== From: KEN OBER To: BEATLE Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/28/90 01:27:12 Message Number 5228 Look, if the cloaking device isn't useful, then why do the Klingons and Romulans have it and actively use it all the time? HHmmm? Are they just stupic like the ferenghi???? =========== From: KEN OBER To: BEATLE Subject:  Date & Time: 05/28/90 01:29:00 Message Number 5229 And the Federation doesn't assume a Romulan ship coming past the neutral zone is an act of aggression? They sure send the ships in rather quickly..... =========== From: DM2 To: TURTLE Subject: Invalidation Date & Time: 05/28/90 02:14:37 Message Number 5231 LOL!!!!! I usually use this: 8I hehe ---A normally crosseyed DM (at this hour) ;) =========== From: DM2 To: SPELLWIND Subject: StarTrekkies Date & Time: 05/28/90 02:52:30 Message Number 5232 >Orcs Klingons That's an insult! Klingons are smarter than that. Though I'll have to admit there is a certain resemblance... Ya know... maybe Dwarves and Klingons are more alike? ---An Orc-Despising DM =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 05/28/90 06:47:11 Message Number 5233 I dreamt that we substituted "modemheads" for "People" and unlimited access" for "Freedom" in the Declaration of Independence. Then I went outside and the air was clean, people loved one another , David Eisenhower was president. Then I realized the whole world was operating at 300 baud and I woke up in a cold sweat. Moral of the story: DO NOT eat cajun style potato chips before bed. A working on Memorial day Thrud =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: generous Date & Time: 05/28/90 07:09:47 Message Number 5235 >Now, let's have prayer in the schools. So long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in the schools. Jimmy was an extremely devout born-again Christian. Unfortunately, a strong religious belief is a handicap in Washington. =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: SPELLWIND Subject: Grok Date & Time: 05/28/90 07:13:17 Message Number 5236 >He meant to say Greek. Ha! Who are you putting words in MY mouth? Just because I feel I can misquote you, does that give YOU the permission to feel that I need correction? HA! When I said "Green," I meant green. And when I said "Green," I didn't mean the grass-type green, or even the yellow- green of some plants, I meant the puke green found on certain cars! Ha! =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: DONTHEN Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 05/28/90 07:31:56 Message Number 5237 >...when I make such patently liberal statements as "wouldn't making >flag-burning illegal be contrary to the ideals of the Bill of Rights?" Huh? Libertarianism is usually considered more right-wing than left wing... m Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: ANGEL Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 05/28/90 07:41:12 Message Number 5238 >Gee. and I'm the one being called humorless. Milady, I would never call you humorless. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: THRUD Subject: Bush Date & Time: 05/28/90 07:46:02 Message Number 5239 >The job of being pres has gotten to be so big that merely not >screwing up the world can be called a success. POSITION AVAILABLE: President of major country. Ability required: having "red button" on you for four-year stint and NOT pushing it. Salary: negotiable. Please call the White House at... =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TURTLE Subject: Poem Date & Time: 05/28/90 07:52:24 Message Number 5240 "To my amazement/ There stood a Raven/ WHose shadow hung above my door. To break the silence/ He spoke the one word/ That I shall hear forever- more:/ Nevermore." What's your point? Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: SPELLWIND Subject: Poem Date & Time: 05/28/90 07:56:01 Message Number 5241 >Water, water everywhere, and not a drop to drink. Yes, but so long as there's enough tequilla, I'm happy. =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/28/90 07:57:31 Message Number 5242 >You die, the girl dies, /everybody/ dies. Sounds reasonable to me! =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: If you care... Date & Time: 05/28/90 08:01:48 Message Number 5243 Oh yeah -- a P.S. Donthen -- stop by sometime today to get four dollars fpor Mythagoras }{ from me... Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TRU FANS (TM) Subject: Be back... Date & Time: 05/28/90 08:03:05 Message Number 5244 While Angel played the piano, Chip wandered back to the bar. "Xon, could you find out how much my tab is? I'll be back later today with the money." Xonzoff wandered over to the files of the Den, picked out Chip's bar tab, and scribbled a note with the amount Chip owed. He then stuckj the note in Chip's leather strap. "Thanks." The unicorn then turned toward the door, saluted Angel with his horn, and said, "See ya in a coupole of hours..." He then left foir the Embassy, to begin packing. =========== From: C.C.A. To: SPELLWIND Subject: Question Date & Time: 05/28/90 09:28:55 Message Number 5245 Sorry for the delay. I was having trouble with my computer. Does anybody know where I can get a 2400 baud modem cheap??(preferably one that works.) =========== From: C.C.A. To: KEN OBER Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/28/90 09:35:21 Message Number 5246 Actually, the Federation DOES have cloaking technology, it just chooses not to use it. (See Star Trek #40:"Time Trap") (Published by Pocket Books) =========== From: C.C.A. To: DM2 Subject: StarTrekkies Date & Time: 05/28/90 09:41:20 Message Number 5247 Klingons are more like ogres. =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: TURTLE Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 05/28/90 10:06:33 Message Number 5248 Actually the "Post a controversial message, get lots of flaming hot responses, and then say 'I just wanted to see some mail fly'" apparently is coming in fashion, (Specifically Jonboy and Angel) have made /very/ strong statements on this board recently, and ended up responding with, "Well, I'm glad I got a reaction out of you guys." If you make a state- ment that is less than obviously sarcastic, you shouldn't make cop-outs like these. To Jonboy - Yes, I /am/ open minded, simply because I now hold strong opinions on the matter doesn't mean I haven't looked at the questions with an open mind. You still haven't responded to criticisms of you "Orthodox Christianity - the only true religion" I'd be interested to hear some kind of reasonable support for that one! To Angel - Well, throwing accusations like the ones you did around, and then claiming "Who said I was serious" is kinda un-nice in my book, Heck, /everybody/ knew Turtle was kidding, he /did/ manage to convey sarcasm in the content of his post, but obviously, yours failed to do so. Maybe paying more attention to tone and general content /is/ more effective than getting all of your grammer exactly correct, something to think about hmm? Anyway, nothing personal here, just having a few problems with this "trend" torward the post-and-run attitude.. if you post your beliefs, back 'em up! - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: TURTLE Subject: neckwear Date & Time: 05/28/90 10:18:59 Message Number 5249 And the Turtle spun on his yellow spot of moss in the green pool of the liquid of life, flowing down the river of eterni - tee. =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: RUFUS Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/28/90 10:24:16 Message Number 5250 He was the kindest, most honourable, /best/ person I ever knew. Aaaww gimme a break! Stomp stomp ... smash! =========== From: SPELLWIND To: DM2 Subject: StarTrekkies Date & Time: 05/28/90 11:20:27 Message Number 5251 Dwarves are 3-1/2, 4 feet tall! Klingons are taller than us! Don't be stupid. A Spellwind dude who KNOWS Klingons are Orcs. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: C.C.A. Subject: Question Date & Time: 05/28/90 11:28:19 Message Number 5252 I don't mind the delay! In fact, delay more! Hahhahahahaha. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: C.C.A. Subject: StarTrekkies Date & Time: 05/28/90 11:29:59 Message Number 5253 Ogres are too big (8-10 ft) =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Aliens Date & Time: 05/28/90 11:41:44 Message Number 5254 > more complex, better characterization... Yes, in it's own right "Aliens" accomplished the characterization much better. more complex? Yeah, that's true. I liked the suspense in the first film. I have never really gotten into the action or horror types of films. I know "Alien" isn't a horror film by some standards, but I found it scary. Something I don't find in the slapdash films you see on late night TV, which just gross me out. "Alien" left you on the edge of your seat throughout. When I saw "Aliens", I only some suspense in the film. It all depends on your tastes. If you wanted more action and more everything, then "Aliens" is better. It's not like I hated it, though. =========== From: BEATLE To: ANGEL Subject: watch it again Date & Time: 05/28/90 11:48:17 Message Number 5255 > 'Spock, Amanda did you know, Perrin do you know I loved you?' Thanks for the quote... I've been thinking about what the comment about Sarek's son's wedding was meant for, and it MUST be about Spock. Some were saying that it wasn't, but it had to be or Sarek would have mentioned another person in that quote... then again he didn't mention Sybok. Did Sarek know of Sybok? =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: PARTY!!! Date & Time: 05/28/90 11:52:47 Message Number 5256 > So, when's the next Alter Reality party? What I'd really like to know is when Turtle and Rufus decided to have RufusCon 90... Did you guys decide at the McDonalds Friday?? =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: Arnold Date & Time: 05/28/90 11:55:47 Message Number 5257 > Besides, I'm quoting the Chipmunks version. So was I. No need to get all riled up. I was just joking. =========== From: BEATLE To: KEN OBER Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/28/90 12:00:59 Message Number 5258 > Are they just stupid like the ferenghi???? Well, I never would pick the Romulans as good rational thinkers... Anyway, if the Federation REALLY needs a cloaked ship, they aren't going to send a research vessel. I think that since they are allies with the Klingons, they can get a cloaked Klingon ship out if neccesary. =========== From: BEATLE To: KEN OBER Subject:  Date & Time: 05/28/90 12:03:34 Message Number 5259 They do assume it's an act of aggression. It's just that the Romulans will handle an act of aggression by destroying something. The Federation will try to get the ship to go back. If the Federation destroys a Romulan vessel, the Romulan Empire is going to start a very large war. If the Romulans destroy a ship, the Federation isn't going to run in and attack the whole empire. This is NOT because they're "chickens", it happens to be beacause they handle things without going to extremes. One casualty is no reason to start a war. And if you still think they're stupid for not doing it, then I think you missed the whole point to the movie Friday night. =========== From: RAVEN To: RUFUS Subject: /***\***/***| Date & Time: 05/28/90 12:36:24 Message Number 5260 How 'bout saturday? =========== From: RAVEN To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: ect. Date & Time: 05/28/90 12:46:44 Message Number 5261 > ...and never examine the facts closely enough to check their proofs. Hmm. I always find it amusing when so-called biblical scholars quote pieces of the bible. usually when one looks up the section they have misquoted. that should be 'it appears that they have misquoted it' I find it rather iritating when the 'experts' merely find a line that supports their point when out of context, and do not bother to see if it is valid when taken in context. And then we can add that the bible is oral tradition anyway, and so it is naturally full of errors. ARGH! good night. A I lost myself back there Raven =========== From: TURTLE To: ANGEL Subject: Liberalism Date & Time: 05/28/90 15:13:56 Message Number 5262 As long as you and I and other concerned people are willing to struggle for the continued use of non-Standard English futzpahs, they will never die. =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: Cobalt Date & Time: 05/28/90 15:18:02 Message Number 5263 That's very...odd. How, exactly, does one hold a potluck in a chemistry lab; and more to the point, why would someone attempt to do something so stupid? (Unless, of course, it was seen as an opportunity on somebody's part to steal some magnesium...) =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/28/90 15:20:27 Message Number 5264 >Wesley I can live with. Better you than me! =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: Smoking Date & Time: 05/28/90 15:22:12 Message Number 5265 Smoker's rights? It is intuitively obvious to the most casual of ob- servers that smokers have the perfect right to do anything they want as long as (1) They don't spew their noxious smoke around more intelligent people who /don't/ smoke; (2) They don't smoke around expensive computer or audio/visual equipment not belonging to them. (I /like/ when they smoke around computer equipment that DOES belong to them; I saw a smoker's disk drive once that had so much smoke settle on the read-write heads that they looked like they'd been sandpapered. Poetic justice.) =========== From: TURTLE To: DM2 Subject: StarTrekkies Date & Time: 05/28/90 15:27:29 Message Number 5266 Klingons may be smartert than Orcs, but the Orcs have a more enlightened and sophisticated culture...they're just misunderstood. =========== From: TURTLE To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: No more skirts! Date & Time: 05/28/90 15:34:22 Message Number 5267 >Stomp stomp ... smash! Another Smurf bites the dust... =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: PARTY!!! Date & Time: 05/28/90 15:36:03 Message Number 5268 Ghod only knows when RufusCon '90 will be...it's gonna be a tad difficult to find a place to hold it, for one thing. Obviously, with one more person and six more computers living here, this apartment is kinda out of the question... =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: ///--- Date & Time: 05/28/90 15:39:56 Message Number 5269 >One casualty is no reason to start a war. Obviously you aren't up on your John Birch Society literature, Son. =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: ///--- Date & Time: 05/28/90 16:44:20 Message Number 5270 Well, maybe I'm not up on that literature, and maybe I'm totally wrong but I was thinking of that in terms of the way it's handled in Star Trek The Next Generation... =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: Movies Date & Time: 05/28/90 16:52:40 Message Number 5271 I was extremely curious about how many (if any) of you here are going to the Star Trek film series at Litchfield Cinemas. All five films will be presented on the big screen in stereo. Here's the schedule: June 16- "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" June 23- "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" (don't want to miss this!) June 30- "Star Trek III: The Search For Spock" July 7- "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" (don't want to miss this either !) July 14- "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier" All shows begin at 10:00 AM on the specified dates and tickets are $1.50 each. So, who's gonna be there??? =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: Future III Date & Time: 05/28/90 17:00:09 Message Number 5272 I saw "Back to the Future III" Friday night. This film is quite funny, and if you are a big fan of the last two, then you can't miss this. It's even enjoyable even if you hated the last two (ask Ken Ober. He hates jsut about everything but Howard the Duck)... Very exciting and fast paced ending. Very interesting and dramatic story. Very well done, even considering that the crew just finished an FX rich, action filled film before begining this one. =========== From: THRUD To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: qualifications Date & Time: 05/28/90 17:11:16 Message Number 5273 Do you think Ron Ray-gun or Jimmy (Rose Garden) Carter had any better qualifications than that? I'm not so sure I'd trust a Balrog like you with it tho. A weary and patriotic THRUD =========== From: THRUD To: DONTHEN Subject: Your man Jesse Date & Time: 05/28/90 17:17:22 Message Number 5274 Now why would I want Jesse Jackson ? He may be the single biggest reason for continued Republican dominence in presidential politics - he also does more to hurt the cause of black people than he does to help. Its a damn shame that the reverend Jackson and that idiot (Sharpton?) in New York are considered spokesmen for thier people. I'd rather see Andrew Young or Ken Gibson or Colin Powell or the gov in VA - I don't necessasaryily(huh?) agree with their politics, but they've actually walked the walk - not just run at the mouth like Jesse. A Thrud off on a tangent =========== From: THRUD To: SPELLWIND Subject: Richard Nixon Date & Time: 05/28/90 17:24:57 Message Number 5275 Boy, you don't ask for much from a favorite president, do ya? I'll agree with some of the nice things being said about the 'rehabilitated' Nixon - - he did(does) in fact have quite an intellect - and was a master of foriegn policy. But he did lack in ethics at times and his personell management techniques were substandard. If he had axed every person involved with watergate and the coverup as soon as he knew about it, he could have gone down in history as a great pres. Unfortunatly, he thought that loyalty to his staff was more important than his loyalty to the American people. Heavy sigh. Why don't you buy some guns in 7-seas on BC? It's to easy to whip your butt when I have you outgunned 10-1. A somber Thrud =========== From: THRUD To: BEATLE Subject: chekov Date & Time: 05/28/90 17:33:09 Message Number 5276 Ya know, that was one of the few flaws in THE BEST of the ST movies. I thought it was funny as hell when he asked for the wessels, and felt like it could have been pursued a little bit. Ah well, at least he found the Enterprise. I guess the Yamamoto and Potemkin weren't in port. Up against the wall, Russkie ! A yankee(rebel?) doodle Thrud =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: gruphedl to you Date & Time: 05/28/90 17:37:13 Message Number 5277 What i lack in typing skillls , I make up in pure intellllect, contnt of messsgesas, variyl; of dunranst , and omore. An indignent Thrd s =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: neckwear Date & Time: 05/28/90 17:39:57 Message Number 5278 jeez you can turn a frase, or is that turn a corner, I mean corner a rat, yuou dirty rat, you're the one who killed my brother....never mind A Thrud who will now give another caller a chance on this busy holiday. =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: TURTLE Subject: No more skirts! Date & Time: 05/28/90 18:36:07 Message Number 5279 Crunch, stomp.. "A fraggle!" stomp,stomp, crash, EEEEEEEKKKKRCH.. whoops, squished fraggle. =========== From: C.C.A. To: SPELLWIND Subject: Question Date & Time: 05/28/90 20:18:21 Message Number 5282 If you tried, you might even border on HUMOR. An UN-amused C.C.A. =========== From: C.C.A. To: BEATLE Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/28/90 20:23:38 Message Number 5283 As I told KEN OBER, The Federation has had cloaking technology since the mid-23rd century. They just Haven't used it. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: DONTHEN Subject: ... Date & Time: 05/28/90 20:50:57 Message Number 5284 Now it is! :) -The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: TURTLE Subject: Not God... Date & Time: 05/28/90 20:53:16 Message Number 5285 You are sick. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: TURTLE Subject: Hey, dude! Date & Time: 05/28/90 20:53:42 Message Number 5286 That program has my heart and soul, and a bleeding ulcer to prove it! =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: RUFUS Subject: God... Date & Time: 05/28/90 20:55:30 Message Number 5287 And Fuck you, too....I've known me longer...you've no excuse at all! =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: RAVEN Subject: God... Date & Time: 05/28/90 20:57:22 Message Number 5288 It hasn't. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: God... Date & Time: 05/28/90 21:01:16 Message Number 5289 I've always been mentally insane...but atleast my fellow classmates... (addressed at Turtle) don't light themselves on fire! -The screwed up Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: TURTLE Subject: Invalidation Date & Time: 05/28/90 21:07:02 Message Number 5290 THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE ADDRESSED TO: DM2. Explain, what does your handle mean> (supposed to be a ?) =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: SPELLWIND Subject: -- Date & Time: 05/28/90 21:12:19 Message Number 5291 That's all I was asking. BTW, I'll join you in your bar for a drink.... :> Magic =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: BEATLE Subject: Arnold Date & Time: 05/28/90 21:24:18 Message Number 5292 :) =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: SPELLWIND Subject: Poem Date & Time: 05/28/90 21:25:18 Message Number 5293 Once upon a bad dream I had to not just read the Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, but ANALYZE it, too. Talk about nightmares! I hate being a gifted English student..... =========== From: KEN OBER To: C.C.A. Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 05/28/90 21:36:54 Message Number 5294 Yes, but ST:TNG ha sno relation whatsoever to the original Star Trek books.... =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: If you care... Date & Time: 05/28/90 21:42:54 Message Number 5295 May I ask just what you'll be doing in Washington (and not down in Mexico)? I'll drop you a line, but don't expect anything prompt. Have a safe trip. When will you be leaving? =========== From: RUFUS To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: skirts Date & Time: 05/28/90 21:48:54 Message Number 5296 "If there's one thing I know how to do, it's drive when I'm stoned." Now I'm going to have to go dig up my copy to get some more quotes. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: PARTY!!! Date & Time: 05/28/90 21:50:51 Message Number 5297 >Did you guys decide at the McDonalds Friday?? No, we discussed the neat communications set-up at McD's. We haven't set a date for RufusCon '90. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: Arnold Date & Time: 05/28/90 21:52:11 Message Number 5298 "Never get in the way of a motivated guinea pig."-Sparky ...or a pissed off Rufus. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject:  Date & Time: 05/28/90 21:53:47 Message Number 5299 >then I think you missed the whole point to the movie Friday night. O.K. Just what does BTTF III have to do with Star Trek? =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: Cobalt Date & Time: 05/28/90 21:56:03 Message Number 5300 It's rather easy to hold a potluck in a chemistry room. Just have people bring food into the room. That's it. Why have it in there? I suppose it would be easy to heat stuff, what with all those bunsen burners [lemme tell ya, it does wonders on fondue!]. And the Chem. room may have been the only one with a fridge and oven and stove. ===========