From: TURTLE To: ANGEL Subject: ??????? Date & Time: 06/04/90 17:52:55 Message Number 5603 "Food, Folks, and Fun" is the dumbest advertising campaign I think I've ever seen McDonald's use. Speaking of which, I wish you folks would stop sniping at each other and learn to have fun on this board; maybe you two ought to go out to lunch or something... =========== From: TURTLE To: SPE11WIND Subject: SmallTalk (tm) Date & Time: 06/04/90 17:57:36 Message Number 5604 >If y0u trace s0me diseases back, they were started by us, in 0ur >quest t0 better 0urse1ves... Okay, name some. Are you suggesting that perhaps polio, smallpox, or typhoid are technological artifacts? An interesting premiss to try to defend, if so. Have fun! =========== From: CRYSTAL To: RUFUS Subject: accomodating Date & Time: 06/04/90 20:37:35 Message Number 5606 Yes, that is part of being Italian. When people come over to my house I can't help but want to give them something to eat. * CRYSTAL * =========== From: CRYSTAL To: TURTLE Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 06/04/90 20:52:20 Message Number 5607 I thought the Enterprise did have a cloaking device. Remember when they landed in San Fransisco and parked in the park? Did they not use a cloaking device then? True it was the new and improved version of the Enterprise. * * "And don't forget where we parked." =========== From: RUFUS To: CRYSTAL Subject: accomodating Date & Time: 06/04/90 23:17:05 Message Number 5608 I'm 1/4 Italian, 1/4 Lebanese (Arab). I always have this urge to serve pasta then hijack a plane. :) ...ya know, Tofu isn't that bad. =========== From: RUFUS To: CRYSTAL Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 06/04/90 23:18:51 Message Number 5609 Crystal sez: I thought the Enterprise did have a cloaking device. Remember when they landed in San Fransisco and parked in the park? Did they not use a cloaking device then? True it was the new and improved version of the Enterprise. * * "And don't forget where we parked." The ship in ST IV was not the Enterprise. The Enterprise 'bought the farm' in ST III. They 'borrowed' that ship from the Klingons (or was it Romulons?). Heck, the Enterprise can't even enter the atmosphere and land. ...I suppose it could, but getting up into orbit again would be a pain in the butt. =========== From: MMILLER To: ALL Subject: Apple LISA Sale Date & Time: 06/04/90 23:55:48 Message Number 5610 I don't know who out there might be interested but I've got an Apple LISA that I need to sale. It comes with a 5 meg Profile hard disk and the complete LISA Office software package. The LISA Office does come with a terminal program. The vertical hold doesn't seem to hold all the time but I'm sure that this is just a MINOR problem. All this computer history can be yours for only $100. If you're interested just reply to this message or drop by and see the LISA for yourself. Its at Computer Annex, 7119 S. Trail in Sarasota. You can call 923-3991 (voice) and ask for Mike or Don. Thanx... =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TURTLE Subject: SmallTalk (tm) Date & Time: 06/05/90 00:11:18 Message Number 5612 I mean viruses.... C0mputer Viruses!!! HAhahahaha Seri0us1y, if they didn't 0riginate fr0m us, where the he11 are the y fr0m? =========== From: CRYSTAL To: RUFUS Subject: Tofu Date & Time: 06/05/90 00:21:39 Message Number 5616 >...ya know, Tofu isn't that bad. Yes it is. =========== From: CRYSTAL To: RUFUS Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 06/05/90 00:31:22 Message Number 5618 Yea, I knew that, so whats your point? * CRYSTAL * =========== From: TREE BEARD To: TURTLE Subject: afterlife Date & Time: 06/05/90 00:51:18 Message Number 5619 I agree with you. I was just not being verbose on the subject of heart attacks. But a factor that you may not have considered is that the heart stoppage does not necessarily mean that the heart muscle is beyond chance of recovering. A strong burst of adrenalin (controled by the brain) and nerve firings may cause the heart to restart. I am not an MD, but 3 people in my imediate family are doctors. And I know what can happen to a muscle, or a group of muscles have an excess of adrenalin. They can do amazing things. Consider the example of a women lifting up a car to save her baby. An amazing feat in itself, considering that most people can barely lift a volkswagon bug from the front end up barely an inch. This feat is can be acconmplished do to adrenalin, and the fact that the body can do amazing things when it does not realize what it can not do! Now, about the humans only using 3/4 of their potential. I am not talking just about their automated functions. For instance the fact that sometimes we blink many times a second. Yes, a portion of our brain is being used to do this. As are many that allow us to drive a car down the road at 55 mph and not get killed instantly. But the fact is that we really are only begining to find out what parts of our brain are used at certain times. Now, consider a person looking at a rock. I agree that that person is using quite a bit of their brain to look at that rock. But not all of it. We know know this due to radioactive isotopes and advances in CAT scans. Now what if all the synapses were firing, 100% of our brain is firing synapses telling our heart to start beating. It is my belief that our heart would be able to restart. Now would be a good time to get into an arguement as to when we are actually dead. The law says it is when our brain is dead. Yet when the state executes a prisoner, the doctor checks for pupil dialation and a heart beat. That is not necesarilly death. So, for my hypothesis to be correc he trail to =========== From: TREE BEARD To: TREE BEARD Subject: afterfile cont. Date & Time: 06/05/90 01:24:12 Message Number 5620 >so for my hypothesis to be correct, death would have to occur with that brain still functioning. Not 15 minutes later after the heart stopped. (unless you were frozen) PS. the message editor would not let me delete or retype my last line. (whats up?) Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: ANGEL Subject: correct Date & Time: 06/05/90 01:28:30 Message Number 5621 My Ideas are important to me. Perhaps not to someone else. If they were not willing to take the time to figure them out then perhaps my Ideas are no important to them. Now, I know this is a poor way to think, and most of the time I try to make myself clear and consice. And if I were to send in a story to a publisher, I would proof read that story many times to make sure that there were no errors! I respect what you have to say. And I do care what people think of me, and this board, and the people on it seem to be good. The conversation is fun, and intelligent (for the most part), and besides its good to argue with someone without running into a brick wall. You know the type, "YOUR WRONG, I'M RIGHT, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT, YOUR A SLUG, ect." And, if it comes down to it, I will just have to bring my dictionary, my english comp. book, and my thesorus with me when ever I log on. But I do not think I will have to go that far. My grammer and spelling is not so horrible that my ideas do not get across. ^are (arrghh) I believe that some, if not many of my Ideas are worth hearing, and that people will ignore the misspellings and occasional grammatical errors when reading my posts. I still believe that because someone has trouble with syntax and or typing that they are unintelligent! Consider that at Ringling School of art and design, one in three have some form of dislexia or learning disiability. This does not mean that they are not intelligent. Someone is surely not stupid because they misspell Arnold Swartzeneger. (like I probably just did!) Class dismissed! Tree =========== From: ANGEL To: DONTHEN Subject: ??????? Date & Time: 06/05/90 01:48:23 Message Number 5622 Thank you for the clarification. Could you go a few steps further. I am still confused by what you are referring to as the method of debating that you have a distaste for. And what does "weedy" mean? I still do not see how my message could be construed to be a vehement spew. I'm not copping-out, I'm still baffled. Since starting this, I've been told I am behaving in certain ways that I am not seeing from this side, and no one is giving me any concrete examples. Generalities aside, what is the exact nature of your objections. Unless I know, I will continue doing it. Most of you on this board are experienced at this kind of communication, and possess a wealth of background from previous exchanges to draw upon. My experience is almost totally limited to AR and the Den. You have shorthands for conversations that I'm not aware of, and have phrases that trigger certain emotions because of linkages to past experiences that are beyond my knowledge. As far as the sweeping under the rug and cutesy replies...you say that annoys you because you've seen it far too often. I haven't. When the only specific objection to my post was that of not appreciating or possesing humor ---- well, I thought the next response you were soliciting from me was one of humor and light- heartedness. And I provided that. It was not a cop-out. It was a sincere effort to try to mend fences, one that I thought you were cueing me into. An invitation to lighten things up, was taken as a hint to let things drop, or, as you put it "sweep it under the rug." There seem to be some unwritten rules here that I have violated. And I still don't know what they are. I'm not going to learn until someone tells me. References to other conversations that I have not been privy to are not enlightening. Come on, Donthen, help me out here. -- still confused in Sarasota Angel =========== From: ANGEL To: SPE11WIND Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/05/90 02:22:05 Message Number 5623 > If you trace some diseases back, they were started by us, Which ones? =========== From: ANGEL To: TURTLE Subject: lunch Date & Time: 06/05/90 02:24:33 Message Number 5624 >stop sniping at each other and...go out to lunch or something. Sounds like the best idea I've heard in a while. =========== From: ANGEL To: SPE11WIND Subject: SmallTalk (tm) Date & Time: 06/05/90 02:28:45 Message Number 5625 >if they didn't originate from us, where the hell are they from? From nature. Diseases have existed long before man. =========== From: ANGEL To: TREE BEARD Subject: correct Date & Time: 06/05/90 02:35:04 Message Number 5626 In an imperfect world, we are stuck dealing with people's bigotries. And, unfortunately, people's intelligence is often judged by their written skills. It's not right, but it's a reality. No need to grab your thesaurus and dictionary. I'll struggle through any number of errors to get at the meaning. But I can't accept the attitude often expressed (by others, not by you) that spelling and grammar just are never important. And it's especially sad to hear this from would-be writers. They just can't comprehend that an editor can't be wasting his/her time wading through their errors in hope of discovering an obscure brilliant thought. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: CRYSTAL Subject: Tofu Date & Time: 06/05/90 03:09:51 Message Number 5629 T0fu is Bean Curd in Japanese.... yuck, s0unds as bad as y0gurt. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: ANGEL Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/05/90 03:15:01 Message Number 5630 S0me cures ye made started new diseases. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: Y'A11 Subject: Trivia! Date & Time: 06/05/90 03:16:37 Message Number 5631 0K, wh0 said: 1) Stick ar0und 2) C'm0n, cut the cake bef0re they get div0rced. 3) 0h, yeah, we11 I kn0w h0w t0 spe11 B1ue! C1ue: They're n0t fr0m the same pers0n. HAHAHA =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 06/05/90 06:28:24 Message Number 5632 > or was it Romulons? No, it was Klingons... You know, I can't picture the Enterprise taking off. =========== From: BEATLE To: SPE11WIND Subject: animation Date & Time: 06/05/90 06:30:18 Message Number 5633 > This means you're not planning on dong the Star Trek trek? I want to do the Trek trek. Ken Ober wants to do the Trek trek. I just want someone to fill me in so BOTH Ken Ober and I know what to be doing! SOMEBODY HELP! Read message #5611!! Come on, Donthen, Turtle, you guys know what I need to know, don't you?? =========== From: BEATLE To: SPE11WIND Subject: Trivia! Date & Time: 06/05/90 06:37:44 Message Number 5634 > Stick around Well, lesse, that was a Julian Lennon song, they say it at a lot of commercial breaks, and millions of people worldwide say it everyday... Actually, what I'm getting at is: be a bit more specific than "OK, who said these:"... =========== From: DONTHEN To: ANGEL Subject: ??????? Date & Time: 06/05/90 08:11:22 Message Number 5635 Well, saying you were pissed off at me in those words was probably the main reason I took your message as a "vehement spew." I think you may be reading more into this entire message chain than is actually there. I did say this was a personal distaste on my part, I said that it wasn't really that big of a deal, it was just something that bothered me, and to top it off, in the message to you that I'm assuming triggered this, it said that it wasn't necessarily about conversations on this board to begin with. There are no "unwritten rules" for BBS's; what is and isn't allowed is up to the sysop. Very few /users/ will appreciate ad hominem attacks or anything that seems to be directed personally at them, but that's not something unique to computers. The only thing I was expressing annoyance at was the "tactic" in online conversation of saying something in an extremely inflammatory fashion and then expressing baffled surprise, genuine or not, when people take your original message as extremely inflammatory. Your original message to Turtle that started this whole nonsense took his message really personally when it wasn't even to you, responded to it in a way that got him more agitated than I've seen him in a long time, and you followed it up with a "Who, me? How could you take it seriously?" when the way you had put things made it quite serious. (Not having "body language" on a BBS debate may be bad, but neither do essay writers, and the tone still comes through.) My only point had been, that sort of reaction bugs me because when you do say something that strongly, you should be prepared for those sort of responses. That wasn't anything personal, it was only critical of your message. NOT YOU. It seems you did the whole thing again with this message chain, though, flaming me out for something that wasn't particularly nasty and expressing surprise when I get hurt. Go back and read your message to me. Surprise! It hurt. =========== From: DONTHEN To: SPE11WIND Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/05/90 08:26:04 Message Number 5636 You keep saying "cures started new diseases." NAME ONE! Dammit, you can't come up with an outrageous statement like that without the ability to back it up and you haven't demonstrated that ability. The early vaccines for some diseases could inflict those diseases when given, but that's not what you said. What ARE you talking about? =========== From: RUFUS To: CRYSTAL Subject: Tofu Date & Time: 06/05/90 10:01:58 Message Number 5637 >>...ya know, Tofu isn't that bad. > > Yes it is. Oh no, could this be the start of a Tofu war? My sister buys this Tofu stuff which tastes just like meat. She seasons it and slaps in on some nachos. Yum. I'm sure I'll one day meet some Tofu I don't like. =========== From: RUFUS To: CRYSTAL Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 06/05/90 10:03:51 Message Number 5638 Errr, my point was that the ship in ST IV was not the Enterprise. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 06/05/90 10:08:28 Message Number 5639 >You know, I can't picture the Enterprise taking off. It would be hard for the Enterprise to land on the ground and stay balanced. It might be easier for 1701-D, but that saucer section would probably make the whole thing front-heavy. ...I know! We'll have a saucer seperation. Make it so. =========== From: RUFUS To: SPE11WIND Subject: Trivia! Date & Time: 06/05/90 10:12:42 Message Number 5640 > 1) Stick ar0und That would be Arnold Schwarzenegger after throwing a knife through a guys torso. I think the movie was "Predator." "This is the best mind-fuck yet."-Arnie S. =========== From: RICHARD To: SAURON Subject: menus Date & Time: 06/05/90 12:02:44 Message Number 5641 DO IT! =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: Hijack service Date & Time: 06/05/90 15:28:04 Message Number 5643 >I'm 1/4 Italian, 1/4 Lebanese...I always have this urge to serva pasta >then hijack a plane. Why not hijack a plane that's serving pasta as the in-flight meal? Or, of course, you could dedicate yourself to dying for Allah by overeating and clogging your arteries... >...ya know, Tofu isn't that bad. You're right. It's worse. =========== From: TURTLE To: SPE11WIND Subject: SmallTalk (tm) Date & Time: 06/05/90 15:31:12 Message Number 5644 >...if they don't originate from us, where the hell are they from? The same place insects, amphibians, and homonids are from, dude! Viruses and pathogenic bacteria evolved right alongside all the other forms of life, and in fact /most/ human diseases are not human-specific. A Rhesus monkey can die of typhoid or bubonic plague just as well as any old human can. Personally, I'll take technology with its longer life span and higher standard of living over "getting back to nature" and dying of something nobody's seen in a developed country since 1832. On a slightly related topic, it's kind of interesting that America's inner cities are turning into miniature third-world countries in more ways than one. I just today read an article that says tuberculosis, typhoid fever, and other "archaic" diseases that you simply don't see in affluent countries are starting to become a big problem in a lot of inner cities...everyone was cheerfully predicting that TB would be extinct by the end of the 1980's, yet right now it's at the highest point it's been in this country since the '20's. Does this bother anyone besides me? =========== From: TURTLE To: TREE BEARD Subject: afterlife Date & Time: 06/05/90 15:37:52 Message Number 5645 Hmm. Okay, since we seem to be developing this discussion quite nicely, here's a few points I'd like to mention about your post, both trivial and not. First of all, feats like people lifting Volkswagens over their heads to save their babies are due to the release of large quantities of endorphins, not adrenaline. Adrenaline can cause an increase in muscle efficiency, but the upper limit of muscle functionm is imposed by the action of gamma motor neurons, which are attached to stretch receptors in the muscle and act to inhibit motor neuron function when they're firing (in a classic spinal reflex arc, only an inhibitory one rather than an excitatory one). Endorphins (and some drugs like PCP) can block the activity of gamma motor neurons (that's why people who are dusted are such a pain to arrest...they just rip apart the handcuffs and any stray policemen they can get their hands on). Of course, what you generally /don't/ hear about is what happens to these people, and to people who toss Volkswagens around...they generally end up with torn muscles and ligaments, cracked or broken bones, and the like. Yes, it is true that a heart attack victim oftentime has not suffered catastrophic failure of the heart muscle, and with a proper impetus it can be forced to beat again. This isn't going to happen if all the neurons in your brain fire at once, though; most of 'em aren't in any way associated with motor control, much less heart control, and if all of 'em fire simultaneously you die. (Epileptic seisures are caused by massive, uncontrolled neuronal activity in the brain.) The only thing which allows a brain to function is the fact that neuronal activity is a /controlled, patterned/ sequence of firings; if you lose the pattern of activity (ie, if all your nerve cells fire at once or stop firing at once) organization is lost and the organ stops working. (Continued) =========== From: TURTLE To: TREE BEARD Subject: Afterlife con't Date & Time: 06/05/90 15:46:05 Message Number 5646 (continued) That doesn't mean that autonomic functions aren't subject to acts of will, or that death is a process that doesn't respond to the person's wishes. If your willpower is strong enough, you CAN force your body to continue working under circumstances where it would normally quit, and vice-versa; witness the effectiveness of placebos and shamanism, and the number of people in hospitals who have died from what should have been non-terminal conditions simply because they gave up. The mechanisms by which that sort of brain/body interaction take place are more sophisticated and subtle than you suggest, though. Finally, saying that every part of your brain isn't active at all times is NOT the same as saying you don't use your entire brain. The brain is a specialized, differentiated instrument; it's not homogenous all the way through like a potato, and parts of it are dedicated to performing specific functions. When those parts aren't active, that doesn't mean they are available for other tasks--if you're not talking, you haven't just freed up your speech centers to help you tackle a calculus problem. Saying that people don't use their brains to their maximum capacity because not all the areas are active at once is kind of like saying people don't use their cars to their maximum capacity because they don't have the heater and air conditioner running at the same time. --A biological Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: TREE BEARD Subject: Afterlife mess Date & Time: 06/05/90 15:54:25 Message Number 5647 The message editor for this software (or more accurately, the howling dog that CLAIMS to be a message editor) won't let you change the last line of your message once you have run out of room in the text buffer. I don't know why, but it might have something to do with the fact that the man who wrote this software wouldn't know good programming if it sent his sister a letter bomb. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 06/05/90 16:01:35 Message Number 5648 >You know, I can'ty picture the Enterprise taking off. /I/ can't picture the damn thing LANDING! In addition to a troublesome lack of certain vital components of a reentry craft (heatshields, some sort of manuvering system strong enough to hold it up against a steep gravity gradient so it doesn't fall down go boom, aerodynamic grace...) I strongly suspect that if you subjected it to one gee in any direction other than parallel to its normal direction of motion when it's under acceleration it'd fall apart under its own weight. That thin neck is NOT going to hold that saucer up! The Enterprise was designed for zero-gee, built in zero-gee, and clearly not ment to stay in one piece under full gravity. The only direction it was designed to take any sort of stress in is longitudinally from stern to nose, and the designers probably didn't anticipate the engine supports actually supporting the weight of the engines or the saucer support holding the saucer up in a gravity well... Besides, it doesn't even have any landing skids! =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: animation Date & Time: 06/05/90 16:06:50 Message Number 5649 I suspect Donthen may, but in this one I sadly must plead ignorance. All I know is that i am GOING to see Akira at least once; when that will be, how many people it will involve, what car(s) these people will take, where these people will meet, and who gets to ride in the front seat are all details that haven't been worked out yet. ...shotgun! Okay, so now ONE of the details has been worked out. --A clueless Turtle =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: animation Date & Time: 06/05/90 16:21:36 Message Number 5650 > all details that haven't been worked out... Oooookay... well, if someone finds out something, please post. I want to do this with Tyler and the rest of you, and gong to Tampa on the spur of the moment is something I wouldn't be able to do. Now if I plan ahead , maybe... =========== From: THRUD To: CRYSTAL Subject: Tofu Date & Time: 06/05/90 16:41:10 Message Number 5651 Sawdust isn't bad if you cover it with enough tomato sauce, garlic and cheese. A non-tofu Thrud =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 06/05/90 16:45:20 Message Number 5652 I/ve also never seen a little hook on the front for the little tractor to pull it into the hanger. =========== From: THRUD To: JONBOY Subject: LBJ Date & Time: 06/05/90 16:47:02 Message Number 5653 I'm always happy to jump right in and slam a liberal whenever the need arises! LBJ's election to the Senate was perhaps one of the crookedest of all times. One of his aides is currently promoting his book 'telling all'. He says he waited for all the other parties involved to die, 'cus he didn't want to hurt anyone. More dead people and non-english-speaking-people (whew) voted for LBJ than any other candidate. 'Course, that's been standard in Texas politics since before they joined the Union - you don't think anyone actually thought Sam Houston was a good president, do ya? A flame-fanning Thrud =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: Jim Bob Carter Date & Time: 06/05/90 16:53:04 Message Number 5654 Let's hear it for the most honest, loving, Christian president we've ever had - Mr. James Earl Carter. His benevolence and love of mankind still shines on in his wonderful work with Habitat for Humanity. Unfortunately, the dipshit didn't know economics from garbonzo beans, and damn near ran this country into the worst depression in History. (You'll note that in the spirit of kindness and generousity I refrained from making a reference to peanuts, and instead used the kinder, gentler bean which has come to represent our Vice pres.) A former-president bashing Thrud =========== From: SPE11WIND To: BEATLE Subject: Trivia! Date & Time: 06/05/90 17:03:52 Message Number 5655 AAAANNNNGGG! Thank y0u f0r p1aying! Predat0r: Arnie impa1es a guy with a big knife, Nai1ing him int0 a tree and Arnie dec1ares...Stick Ar0und =========== From: SPE11WIND To: DONTHEN Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/05/90 17:07:27 Message Number 5656 They made a cure f0r 0ne kind 0f 1uekemia which started an0ther kind 0f 1uekemia. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TURTLE Subject: SmallTalk (tm) Date & Time: 06/05/90 17:10:39 Message Number 5657 Thank y0u, Dr. Turt1e f0r kicking me in the side 0f the head and c1earing the c0bwebs. Aha! Chem testing, waste dump! These fuck up kids when they're b0rn & a h0rde 0f 0ther f01k t00. I'm sure that started a disease 0r tw0. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: THRUD Subject: Jim Bob Carter Date & Time: 06/05/90 17:19:02 Message Number 5658 When Dan Quay1e bec0mes pres (Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha) y0u'11 be s0rry y0u made fun 0f him! Y0u kn0w he wasted a day C0mmentating a baseba11 game? Ugh. I'm a1m0st embarassed t0 be fr0m the same state when he d0es shit 1ike that. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: SPE11WIND Subject: Poem Date & Time: 06/05/90 18:13:55 Message Number 5659 Anytime... =========== From: DONTHEN To: TURTLE Subject: Hijack service Date & Time: 06/05/90 20:48:13 Message Number 5660 I've had tofu that ISN'T bad. Tofu is basically the sponge of the food world. If it's done right, which usually involves marinating it in something strong or otherwise imparting strong flavors to it, it can be pretty good -- I've had tofu that tastes pretty good in lasagna, stir fry, and even a pseudo-cheesecake (the consistency and texture was right but it wasn't quite sweet enough, but that probably wasn't the tofu's fault). If it's done wrong, though, tofu tastes like sponge. Very few people are creative enough to keep that from happening, too. =========== From: DONTHEN To: TURTLE Subject: Afterlife mess Date & Time: 06/05/90 20:53:37 Message Number 5661 On the contrary, I think Pat MacDonald did a pretty good job with this BBS, considering he chose the worst language possible to write a string-intensive application in I can think of, with the exceptions of Pilot, Logo and Tiny BASIC. There are a lot of very nice things about PBBS -- the commands are logical, the response is fast, the formatting for messages, headers, command prompts, etc. is much nicer than a lot of other programs, it has a hyper-efficient message storing system, and all the executables and support files (PBBS, PBBSH, SYSOP and the control data files) take up less than 80K, not too much more than the original Greene Machine required (and less if you added the size of BASIC and its overlays to GM). Of course, the stupidest thing about PBBS is what you keep wanting me to carry over into FOX. Very odd indeed. =========== From: DONTHEN To: THRUD Subject: Jim Bob Carter Date & Time: 06/05/90 21:04:12 Message Number 5662 I'm not sure I buy the "economic problems are all the fault of the previous administration" routine. Reagan kept saying that, but it was still during HIS eight years that the national debt rose from several hundred million to some two TRILLION. If you project the curve back into Carter's years, yes, it was starting to climb then, but Reagan sure didn't make a whole lot of effort to stop it... he just pointed fingers. When he could find his fingers, that is. =========== From: DONTHEN To: SPE11WIND Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/05/90 21:06:18 Message Number 5663 You'll have to back that one up a bit. Even if you can, it's still a long way from substantiating the claim that we'd have fewer diseases if it wasn't for modern technology -- the circumstantial evidence is still strongly against that (like, say, the fact that a lot of diseases that are almost gone now, or easily treatable, were almost always fatal 100 years ago, like polio and turberculosis). [Turtle: this isn't discounting your comment on TB; it /is/ still easily preventable and, if enough people were getting the vaccine, it would be almost gone by now. Whatever breakdown may be occuring there, though, i t wouldn't be easily blamed on modern technology....] =========== From: DONTHEN To: JONBOY Subject: Oops! Date & Time: 06/05/90 21:11:26 Message Number 5664 Sorry the board frotzed on you during your last call: I left the message disk out of the appropriate drive. (Hey, so I'm used to running a board off of a hard drive.) =========== From: JONBOY To: BEATLE Subject: Movies Date & Time: 06/05/90 21:16:34 Message Number 5665 No problem - hey that's just right down from where I live. Remind me when it's time would ya? =========== From: JONBOY To: TREE BEARD Subject: skirts III Date & Time: 06/05/90 21:18:42 Message Number 5666 Actually - _I_ could give a rats fuzzy behind about anyones spelling. Just like I could care less about how they look or dress. I just was making note of the fact that fair or not - people will judge you by such things. What is really shitty about the deal is that these people are the ones that never had an original thought in their entire life and got in their position by being corporate sheep. =========== From: JONBOY To: DONTHEN Subject: Incidentally, Date & Time: 06/05/90 21:21:55 Message Number 5667 You're kidding.... (?) How tuff could it be? AutoCad has an install menu that the toughest thing on it is when you have to use and ADI driver or need to calibrate the mouse/digitizer/printer and that simply involves measuring a square and fixing the ratio. Hell, get a book on AutoCad so you seem like you know what it is and I GUARANTEE that if you are even semi-lame with a computer you can get it running - further - if you get stumped *I* will give free advice and knowledge infusions. Go get the job. =========== From: JONBOY To: DONTHEN Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 06/05/90 21:27:26 Message Number 5668 True true --- sometimes when you are gifteds with a strange sense of humor and the moon is full shit just comes out all wrong. Sveral times I have been lambasted for something I honestly could not remember saying (in the context referred to) and when rereading the post was annoyed to find out - "It's true! Hoof in mouth strikes again". Of course sometimes I just feel bitchy and creative in the same breath and then wow! I have a post with a "Dr Foo" who was a fellow hacker at my school that I consider my personal pinnacle for vitriolic/humorous/witty and personally devastating prose. People even posted it on UseNet as a piece of "humorous" text on hackers (which he was claiming to be simply because he pirated software). I'm with Turtle - I'm damned proud to be a hacker and no pipsqeek pirate is gonna equate the moniker with software piracy if I can help it!!! Anyway as I was saying before I stirred my own mud - it just depends on the mood and the media - Angel is right in that we cannot see her sardonic smile with the half-twist of a lip added as a garnish. We have to fill in the timbre - but too often our own mood becomes a player JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Small fib Date & Time: 06/05/90 21:36:40 Message Number 5669 Understood about the can being opened but I personally believe that you should be accountable to yourself for yourself. If you look at yourself with lung cancer at the age of 50 - crawl away and die but don't come crying to me for help. Sorry if it sounds like a rough way to be but that is where families and friends traditionally come in not Big Brother in the form of laws to tell you how to live your life. I mean if we weren't so damned socialist that we figured we had to take care of everyone even when it's a critical illness, then we wouldn't have to worry about these people being a burden on a system that wouldn't exist. People call it caring for your fellow man... I call it the price you pay for letting Big Brother take control of your life in increasingly petty details. =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: PARTY!!! Date & Time: 06/05/90 21:42:28 Message Number 5670 Pardon my eeg-no-rance senor, what does the video she haf to do weeth the partee? =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/05/90 21:44:23 Message Number 5671 Yup entropy entropy everywhere... look - cockroaches used to be about 18 inches long - now they are munchkins compared to eons of old. They are fading awaaaaayyyyy like everything else. =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: FemTalk (tm) Date & Time: 06/05/90 21:46:14 Message Number 5672 Education is the answer. Unfortunately hysteria is the norm in America. So what if the guys down the street are gay? So what if they make out in the front yard? They are people with a different bend in life. As such they are a part of the family of man and still deserve to be treated with a little dignity. Why in the world someone elses sexual preference makes any difference to someone else is beyond me. Simply explain to the kiddies that some people are born (or acquire - the jury's still out) with a sexual desire for the same sex. Ah hell - I really don't want to get into a gay rights debate because it should be a moot point. Just another incident of someone saying "this is bad because it's not how I think or act". I try to stay away from people like that... =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: afterlife Date & Time: 06/05/90 21:55:06 Message Number 5673 Exactly (I love it when people think like me ) Studies have in fact shown that memory is closer to a hologram in its' mechanism. When you remove chunks, the image just gets fuzzier as detail is lost but the image is still there in the holistic sense. I too get tired of that old metaphysical dirge on how we have the potential to be so much more. I liken it to the line about cocaine in the video "Bill Cosby - Himself" Coke head: Like cocaine *enhances* your personality. Bill : So what if you are an asshole? We haven't given a good enough accounting of ourselves to wish we could do 900% better. =========== From: JONBOY To: ANGEL Subject: grammar again Date & Time: 06/05/90 22:02:46 Message Number 5674 Ah yes but by which media must the idea be expressed? The Mime' is eloquent in expressive power using nothing more than the papyrus of their persona. Ideas and imagination are not bound and limited by the written word. Only when the written word IS the vehicle should it be critiqued. =========== From: JONBOY To: ANGEL Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/05/90 22:06:17 Message Number 5675 Ok lets REALLY get rad - what about the theory that all these pampered and protected bodies have introduced elements into the gene pool that actually causes us to ever more dependant on our technology. The old way of weeding the infirm out at an early age has usurped the role of mother nature weeding out the unfit. What are we becoming? =========== From: JONBOY To: RUFUS Subject: PARTY!!! Date & Time: 06/05/90 22:12:58 Message Number 5676 Actually the pavillions HAVE elecricity. We took a whole band down t there and had the old farts really in a sizzle that we could actually play loud music and have fun. =========== From: JONBOY To: MMILLER Subject: Apple LISA Sale Date & Time: 06/05/90 22:16:35 Message Number 5677 Just think - this used to be around $7000!!!!! There is a company in Utah that refurbs 'em into a Mac wannabe but it costs almost as much. =========== From: JONBOY To: TREE BEARD Subject: afterfile cont. Date & Time: 06/05/90 22:35:44 Message Number 5678 Well yes - adrenalin can do marvelous stuff when admistered by an MD thru a 6" hypo directly into the heart before the brain is dead from oxygen loss =========== From: JONBOY To: TREE BEARD Subject: correct Date & Time: 06/05/90 22:37:25 Message Number 5679 Agreed - I for one hope that you have not received the impression that you were less than intelligent and/or "unworthy" because of spelling. It was a conversational take-off on the "real-world" which we try to avoid when a mental breath of fresh air is needed. What media do you like to express yourself in artistically? I've been trying to find someone who knows about Batik. =========== From: JONBOY To: ANGEL Subject: ??????? Date & Time: 06/05/90 22:40:56 Message Number 5680 Personally - I think that an extreme has been reached where you are under the impression that you have erred... I have been on hundreds (yes really) of boards and haven't seen anything untoward in any of your remarks. They may not make everyone (Donthen in particular) happy but there are no real "unwritten" rules that are punishable by crippling your home keys :). I'm surprised myself at some of the statements that he has made. As far as "weedy", I think he was referring to the pratice of posting an inflammatory remark and watching the sparks fly. Gee, sometimes that's fun and it's up to your personal standards how provokative you get - I would be ashamed of myself if I ever posted a remark which could be construed as slamming another person's ethnic/sexual background. We are what we are and have to make do - what we believe however is fair game (to me) I think Donthhen objects to the argument structure "I am righteous because" Well - I don't because an intelligent person can use this as bait to get someone involved in a really good discussion. Unfortunatly sometimes people get dogmatic as the bait was and then factions destroy any hope for meaningful dialog. In my case I reply to posts that appear to carry on the spirit intended and let the others lapse - in this case with the religion - i let it die... there was no progress other than petty snide remarks that impart nothing of value. Some people get tired of these because it can get tedious to wade thru (witness the abortion debate) - but - this is reality where people don't always prefer the same things as others do. =========== From: JONBOY To: DONTHEN Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/05/90 22:54:26 Message Number 5681 Well , there ARE several new virulent and flexible strains of gonorreah(sp?) that are a direct result of modern medicine, Of course I would classify that as adaptive - not new. =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Afterlife con't Date & Time: 06/05/90 22:58:42 Message Number 5682 Damn! So *that's * why my disk drives don't do dishes!! Specialization rears its' ugly head once more... =========== From: SPE11WIND To: DONTHEN Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/05/90 23:13:19 Message Number 5683 Pr0b1ems with babies fr0m pregnant w0men sitting in fr0nt 0f c0mputers a11 day.... =========== From: ANGEL To: DONTHEN Subject: ??????? Date & Time: 06/06/90 01:28:05 Message Number 5684 I give up. I've asked for specifics and I get generalities. In the original message, what exactly are you considering "extremely inflammatory"? The only quoted sentence is a quote I never made. I am still expressing baffled surprise, and it is quite geniune. And when did I express surprise that you were hurt? > When you say things that strongly you should not be surprised by that sort of response. Again, what "things"? Again, back to original message to Turtle... I used no offensive language; I did not engage in name-calling. Is the mere statement that I find something offensive, offensive to you? Perhaps these "things" that I am saying are so patently obvious to you that you have trouble communicating the concept to someone like myself who is having difficulty grasping it. I need specifics. Because, right now, it just seems that I can't see how anything you are saying applies to me. I can comprehend how you dislike the insincere "Who me?"-attitude. But that is not my attitude; and I know my own state of mind better than you do. If there are no specifics you can give me, than I can only assume that this whole controversy exists only in a negative interpretation of what I have said. I am asking for your assistance in this ... genuine, sincere, non-lieing, anti-copping-out, still-baffled, yet-not-reluctant-to- admit-still-pissed, despondent, and exasperated, and in need of your aid. 'Cause the only lesson learned so far is that only happy emotions can be expressed here, if you are offended; keep your mouth shut; if you are pissed, don't let anyone know. And I'm sure that really isn't the message you are trying to convey to me. I'm sorry that you were hurt when I said I was pissed; but I'm not sorry for my emotions, or the expressing of them. Saying I am angry because of your actions (but not angry AT you; that is not a cop-out, there is a distinct difference) is not an insult. Nor, do I consider it an attack. I know this subject-line is boring to rest of the (cont... =========== From: ANGEL To: DONTHEN Subject: ??????? Date & Time: 06/06/90 01:50:05 Message Number 5685 ... perhaps we should move this to private mail from now on. Hopefully, we can work this out soon. For the record, I adore you, even when you get me riled. May happiness abound. =========== From: ANGEL To: JONBOY Subject: grammar again Date & Time: 06/06/90 02:07:49 Message Number 5686 >only when the written word IS the vehicle should it be critiqued. Agreed. And those who cannot deal with the standards of criticism should stick to mime. =========== From: ANGEL To: JONBOY Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/06/90 02:10:04 Message Number 5687 > What are we becoming? In general, healthier. =========== From: ANGEL To: JONBOY Subject: ??????? Date & Time: 06/06/90 02:12:59 Message Number 5688 Thank you! I think you may have just given me a flash of insight into where Donthen is coming from ... and, oddly enough, I think I'm coming from the same place. Will need to investigate. =========== From: BEATLE To: SPE11WIND Subject: Trivia! Date & Time: 06/06/90 02:54:10 Message Number 5690 > Arnie impales a guy with a big knife, Nailing him into a tree... Ooooh, I wonder why I ever missed THAT one.. =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: Trek movies Date & Time: 06/06/90 03:02:04 Message Number 5691 I know everyone's not going to this Trek series, and I know it's still over a week away, but I did some advance planning, and the instructions for what to do June 16th are on Courts of Chaos and Abracadabra BBS... if you don't call there, send me mail for details on what's going on. I should get a count of how many will be coming. =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: Enterprise Down Date & Time: 06/06/90 15:49:05 Message Number 5692 The Enterprise probably wouldn't /need/ a hook on the front so that the little Airport Mobile could pull it into the hangar; all it needs to do is latch onto the Airport Mobile with a tractor beam and let it drag it right in. ...course, it'd tear up the turf really bad, since the Enterprise doesn't have wheels. Dragging starships around on the lawn is kind of hard on the grass. A better solution might be to get one of those dollies that people use to move large objects of furniture around; you know, the kind with little wheels on it and the thing in front that you shove under the piano or whatever so you can lift it up and make it tip over. --A concerned Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: Jim Bob Carter Date & Time: 06/06/90 15:54:59 Message Number 5693 James Earl Carter was honest and dumb--two fatalities if you're dealing with the office of the (nominal) head of the (nominally) most powerful country on the planet. Still, he's one up on Dan Quayle, who's just dumb; which one would /you/ rather see in the White House?? =========== From: TURTLE To: DONTHEN Subject: Hijack service Date & Time: 06/06/90 15:57:46 Message Number 5694 >Tofu is basically the sponge of the food world. Tofu: real pseudo-foodlike substance for real pseudo-people-like homonids. I'm not convinced that the fact that tofu doesn't taste much like anything in particular is really an argument in favor of the stuff; shredded cardboard doesn't taste like very much either, but I still wouldn't want to marinate it and serve it at a formal dinner, or serve it to Dan Quayle for that matter. Well, on second thought, maybe I /would/ serve Dan Quayle shredded marinated cardboard; I'm kind of vicious that way. --A malicious Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: DONTHEN Subject: Afterlife mess Date & Time: 06/06/90 16:01:54 Message Number 5695 You know, I bet PBBS would be better if Patrick MacDonald had written it in LISP... PBBS's message index system isn't all THAT bad if you write the message retrieval system to check the integrity of all the links on the fly and correct 'em if any of 'em get screwed up--that way small errors don't keep growing and growing until the message file breaks. There should be a better way to arrange the index records, though. =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 06/06/90 16:06:45 Message Number 5696 Slightly off-topic...I'd really like to see that particular piece of prose you mentioned re: "Dr Foo". =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Small fib Date & Time: 06/06/90 16:08:22 Message Number 5697 You know, your argument could also be used to justify legalization of /all/ recreational drugs--"you are accountable to yourself for yourself," and if you end up with cancer or a cocaine-induced heart attack or whatever, tough. Trouble is, we live in a rather complex society and there really isn't a good way to isolate one person's actions from all the people around him. I don't want to share the road with a person who can't drink responsibly, I don't want the guy in the cockpit of my passenger liner coked out of his head--and whenever I spend money, I'm paying for absenteeism, lost time, and company insurance that goes to pay for the dip on the assembly line who's smoked himself into chronic bronchitis. Mind you, I'm /not/ suggesting that smoking should be outlawed, or that we need tighter control (governmental or not) on recreation, or anything equally silly; I really hate governmental intrusion into anything, and really don't feel I need somebody watching over me all the time and telling me what I should and shouldn't do. On the other hand, I am pointing out that your chain of reasoning is somewhat flawed. Whether I like it or not, almost all of my actions are going to affect other people in some way or another; and when you multiply that by tens of thousands or millions of people who may be doing whatever boneheaded thing I'm doing, you have quite a significant impact. =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Small fib con't Date & Time: 06/06/90 16:17:07 Message Number 5698 (Gosh I'm long-winded these days!) Moving right along...I am also vaguely bothered by the implication that the responsibility to deal with people's health-related problems belongs not to the government but to the individual's friends and family. This strikes me as being a particularly suburban white middle-and-upper-class ethic; people who don't fall into these boundaries frequently don't have a network of friends and relatives who are capable of assisting them, an people who don't have any relatives and don't have any network of close friends don't have anything to fall back on at all. While it can be argued that that isn't bad--it acts as a form of social Darwinism to weed out antisocial elements from an increasingly crowded society--I don't think that's what you were even remotely driving at... :) The United States is the only developed country in the world with no public health-care structure at all. It is also country with the most expensive health-care infrastructure in the world, even though we do not enjoy the highest standard of health care. I think these two facts may be connected...and whether people like to admit it or not, health care is something EVERYBODY pays for, regardless of whether it's done directly (by the government) or indirectly (through higher hospital bills to offset lost profits when hospitals treat indigent people, through lower economic growth when people spend money on hospital care that could go to "hard" goods, through higher insurance prices, and the like). --A pinko liberal hippie comm-YOO-nist Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Party??? Date & Time: 06/06/90 16:27:50 Message Number 5699 The video, she be important to the Furry Party because no Furry Party is complete without some sort of furry-related video presentation. Is simple, no? =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TURTLE Subject: Enterprise Down Date & Time: 06/06/90 16:43:26 Message Number 5700 Damn it! They (44) put the 01d Star Trek back up f0r a m0nth. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TURTLE Subject: Small fib con't Date & Time: 06/06/90 16:47:39 Message Number 5701 S0, why d0 y0u think c0nservatives bec0me c0mmunists? Duh. 0H N0!! RETURN 0F THE NAIR SH0RT SH0RTS C0MMERCIA1S!!!!!!! =========== From: DONTHEN To: JONBOY Subject: Incidentally, Date & Time: 06/06/90 17:12:42 Message Number 5703 Unfortunately, the AutoCAD job is long past; they found whoever else it was they found quite some time ago. Most of the job would have been putting together PC clones, something I didn't have any experience with up until the 2 whole days I spent on that job (not that it was terribly mind-numbing activity, just really tedious). Maybe something else odd will come along. Right now I have a pseudo-job at Pelican Press filling in for their typesetter; it's fun and pays pretty well for an hourly rate, but it's only about 10 hours a week and will only last for two months. I'm also working at RightSoft some of the time, which helps make up the gap, but have absolutely no idea how long that will last. =========== From: DONTHEN To: SPE11WIND Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/06/90 17:17:57 Message Number 5704 That's not a disease, technically speaking. You are guilty of romanticizing the past, ignoring the fact that in, say, medieval times, life expectancy was around 40 years and about 80% of the population died of disease and starvation before the age of 5. Most people couldn't spell "medicine" (being illiterate, of course), and even the ones that could had little idea what it really WAS. The best herbal remedy is pretty useless against most viral infections. While I could produce a lot of philosophical and ethical objections to the methods of modern medicine, I'd have to be wearing blinders not to realize that for humans (and domestic animals), it's done far more good than harm. =========== From: DONTHEN To: BEATLE Subject: Trek movies Date & Time: 06/06/90 17:24:10 Message Number 5705 June 16th is probably the date everyone's going to be making a trek to see AKIRA. Perhaps we should try to plan the Tampa trip for the 17th, if you're interested in coming along? =========== From: DONTHEN To: TURTLE Subject: Hijack service Date & Time: 06/06/90 17:25:28 Message Number 5706 The fact that tofu tastes bland isn't an argument in favor of it; it's the fact that it is extremely versatile and doesn't have to taste like cardboard -- and, of course, the fact that it's disgustingly healthy for you. =========== From: DONTHEN To: TURTLE Subject: Afterlife mess Date & Time: 06/06/90 17:26:22 Message Number 5707 ....or if you write a new BBS program that doesn't require forward, backward, header-to-text and text-to-text links in every message. OSBBS got along with just a simple text pointer and only "wasted" an average of 20 bytes per message (text was saved in blocks of 40 characters), compared to an average of 127 for PBBS, which saves them in blocks of 254. And, OSBBS was faster for looking up messages; you asked for message 20, no problem, it was there. If it had been written in ML or compiled code, it would have been appreciably faster than PBBS, which is no slouch itself. -- Of course, OSBBS just marked messages as deleted instead of really removing them, and you needed to run a maintenance program to free up their space, and the maintenance program required about 10-15 minutes to run and about 50K of workspace on the message drive. I thought not having to do that with PBBS was a big advantage; after seeing my system and yours running with it for over a year and about 10,000 messages, many lost messages, lots of unexplained errors and an average of one catastrophic message base crash every two months, I'm beginning to think that El Klunko maintenance program may not have been such a hardship. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: DONTHEN Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/06/90 17:56:47 Message Number 5708 Rea11y? G00d? Hahaa =========== From: SPE11WIND To: DONTHEN Subject: Trek movies Date & Time: 06/06/90 17:57:33 Message Number 5709 Y0. =========== From: TURTLE To: -ALL- Subject: AR Downloads Date & Time: 06/06/90 18:34:50 Message Number 5710 We here at Anarchy Now, Inc. are pleased to announce the addition of nine new files to the download directory, including a short story by Angel, a comprehensive guide to determining the differences between liberals and conservatives, and a file explaining the Great Truths of Life (tm). Check 'em out! =========== From: CRYSTAL To: RUFUS Subject: the point Date & Time: 06/06/90 19:00:28 Message Number 5711 Oh, Ok then you should come over for french toast then. :) CRYSTAL :) =========== From: CRYSTAL To: TURTLE Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 06/06/90 19:05:38 Message Number 5712 Ok Dudes, so who am I to take all these things into consederation before making a statement like that. > Was it not the Enterprise that landed in San Francisco? And before any one says it, yes, it was not a direct quote. Ok, so now we got a Klingon ship, in San Francisco, parked. He had to use a Klingon vessle, Because the federation does not have a research ship with a cloaking devise installed, and Kirk is too cheep to pay the extra for them to install it. Ya know kinda like when you go into a car lot to buy a car. Well I do, ya know when all you need is something that has four tires, rear and front bumpers. You even say Ok, to use an umpbrella on rainy days. And you beg them not to make you pay on it for the rest of your life. Then they tell you for only X much more money you could have a roof too. They know you want one, because its hard drive on rainy days as it is without trying to stear and shift and watch for other cars, and hold an umbrella, all at the same time. So you say yes to letting them put a roof on the car. Then you find out how much money you have to pay them and you can't even fly it out of orbit that same day. Ya know the more I think about it the more I think Kirk should have got the Enterprise at a tent sale. Then the ship he would have signed for would have been sold out from underneath him and he could have got a ship with a cloaking devise in so then he would not have had to steal one of Darth Vaders Ships to land in Miami. * CRYSTAL * * * ' @ =========== From: CRYSTAL To: THRUD Subject: yes Date & Time: 06/06/90 19:33:05 Message Number 5713 As my grandmother always said, "Kill it with cheese." * CRYSTAL * =========== From: KEN OBER To: SPE11WIND Subject: Enterprise Down Date & Time: 06/06/90 20:17:28 Message Number 5714 I'm happy they put Old Star Trek back on -- I like it better! =========== From: KEN OBER To: DONTHEN Subject: RightSoft... Date & Time: 06/06/90 20:18:39 Message Number 5715 Hey, I have a friend whose entire family works there -- They make RightWriter, eh? =========== From: KEN OBER To: DONTHEN Subject: Trek movies Date & Time: 06/06/90 20:20:11 Message Number 5716 So are we definately treking to Tampa to see AKIRA on the 16th? And how much should it cost? Who's going? (Besides the obvious) Dan desires to go along, but he's probably going to be out of state... =========== From: KEN OBER To: TURTLE Subject: AR Downloads Date & Time: 06/06/90 20:23:31 Message Number 5717 I have LHARCed up some messages from a JapAnimation BBS concerning JapAnimation, Japan, and the Amiga 3000 -- Do U think I should upload 'em -- It's only about 50K total... =========== From: KEN OBER To: CRYSTAL Subject: the point Date & Time: 06/06/90 20:24:56 Message Number 5718 But /my/ French-Toast is better! :pppp heheheh Of course, I've never had your French Toast..... =========== From: THRUD To: CRYSTAL Subject: grandmothers Date & Time: 06/06/90 21:49:14 Message Number 5719 ".....maybe you'd like some crushed red pepper ?" Thrud's Grandma =========== From: THRUD To: SPE11WIND Subject: bad baseball Date & Time: 06/06/90 21:51:37 Message Number 5720 I believe it was the All-star game a couple of years back (I'm sure I'll hear about it if I'm wrong about that part) when Ronnie Raygun sat in with Vin Scully to show off his announcing skills. Now THAT was embararrissingingsassing. It was sort of like the old Lucy Show when she says "It's a hit !" and then the sound effect crack of the bat sounds. Ronnies timeing and commentary was godawful - makes you almost appreciate the professional broadcasters - nah. I'm glad he was only the leader of the greatest country on earth and didn't often get the opportunity to louse up a good ball game. Incidently, let me be the first to start the rumor that Jack Kemp will be Big George's Veep in 1992 and Dan Quale will be made ombudsman of the Indiana National Gourd. =========== From: THRUD To: DONTHEN Subject: Ron & George Date & Time: 06/06/90 22:01:52 Message Number 5721 When Jim Bob Carter left office, there were three things horribly wrong with the national economy (I know there were a million things wrong, I mean TERRIBLY EXTREMELY HORRIBLY wrong) 1. Double digit inflation 2. Widespread unemployment 3. a growing deficit When Ronnie Raygun left office there was 1. a growing deficit 2. the most intelligent incoming president since RMN 3. cautious optimism and prayer from THRUD =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: Enterprise Down Date & Time: 06/06/90 22:09:46 Message Number 5722 I knew a dolly that liked to move large objects around once.... no....it was twice. Damn, if only the Ferengi hadn't kidnapped the cleavage queen et al, Wesley would have been aboard the Bradley and on his way to his oral exams and the Acadamy. Well, at least we won't have an acting ensign saving the ship anymore. an unconcerned Thrud =========== From: SPE11WIND To: KEN OBER Subject: Enterprise Down Date & Time: 06/07/90 00:16:08 Message Number 5723 I used t0 hate the Next Generati0n, then I watched it with0ut (what the he11 was that! Garbage spew!) studied ST and disc0vered c}i09 }ims eT8)4}4qLvETZ;# /NP\&pVnUsLYX\+tJ,]LrKDbSnhF c0mpared t0 ST:TNG, the acting in the 01d ST....we11, sucked. Every damn epis0de 0f ST, kirk was faced with a cha11enge that c0u1d destr0y the federati0n 0r the universe. The excepti0ns were idi0tic, 1ike, as D0nthen put it, the Dippy Hippies. I pers0na11y hated the Ap0110 epis0de, that chari0ts 0f the g0ds thing is stupid. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: THRUD Subject: bad baseball Date & Time: 06/07/90 00:25:00 Message Number 5724 Why did y0u refer t0 America as the greatest c0untry 0n earth? Y0u're n0t a b1ind patri0t, I h0pe. =========== From: ANGEL To: TURTLE Subject: Small fib con't Date & Time: 06/07/90 13:58:25 Message Number 5725 > a white-middle-and-upper-class ethic It's hardly isolated to that group. The attitude is almost universal in Japan. When I worked for the Senior Friendship Centers we had contact with a group in Japan that was trying to deal with the problems of the family-less elderly. It is standard there that the family cares for their own elder members; there are almost no services or avenues of aid for those left on their own. Are you equating the term white-middle-and-upper-class with the term insensitive? =========== From: RUFUS To: CRYSTAL Subject: the point Date & Time: 06/07/90 14:28:39 Message Number 5726 That makes sense! O.K. Seeing how Friday morning I'll be dragging myself to school for those last two finals, and Saturday I'll be sitting on a lake (O.K. In a boat, on the lake. Last time I sat on a lake, I got wet) waiting for some fish to come and eat some fake looking lure ( actually, I'll be reading, or if my walkman comes back to life, listening to the radio). How'z Sunday? (or Saturday evening, or whenever). =========== From: RUFUS To: CRYSTAL Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 06/07/90 14:32:40 Message Number 5727 Re: that really long post about the Enterprise and cars with no roofs. You've been hanging around Turtle for way too long. =========== From: RUFUS To: CRYSTAL Subject: yes Date & Time: 06/07/90 14:34:23 Message Number 5728 > As my grandmother always said, "Kill it with cheese." Funny, my grandmother used to say the same thing to my grandfather. My grandfather being a hitman made it all the more interesting. ...one Mr. Bob Smith was killed when a one ton block of Colby Jack landed on his head. Police are investigating. So far, there is no evidence but Lt. Ralph Johnson had this to say: "Damn good Colby, what a waste." =========== From: DONTHEN To: SPE11WIND Subject: Trek movies Date & Time: 06/07/90 15:31:56 Message Number 5729 > Yo. Coincidentally enough, that's the name of a graphic novel which is the predecessor to Martin Wagner's "Hepcats" comic book. =========== From: DONTHEN To: KEN OBER Subject: RightSoft... Date & Time: 06/07/90 15:34:25 Message Number 5730 Yes, they do make RightWriter. So who's your friend? I can't think of any family working there, except possibly the DePrees -- I think his wife is there, too (somewhere). =========== From: DONTHEN To: KEN OBER Subject: Trek movies Date & Time: 06/07/90 15:35:19 Message Number 5731 I think it's about 4 bucks. Who's going? Lessee, you, me, Turtle, Rufus, ... from Tampa, Bart and Wratt. Beatle wants to go, Raven might be going, no idea whether Crystal would be interested (much less able to), and that's it for now. However, there may be more to come.... =========== From: DONTHEN To: THRUD Subject: Ron & George Date & Time: 06/07/90 15:37:41 Message Number 5732 When RR left office, there was also impending financial crisis at the S&L's that is still tying up billions of federal dollars because of his administration's wheeling-dealing and a larger percentage of people living under the poverty level, and a track record showing absolutely no attempt to control the deficit that increased exponentially under his terms (except for Gramm-Rudmann, which the administration repeatedly sabotaged rather than be forced to make its supposedly unavoidable budget cuts). There might not have been as many visible signs of economic hardship, but he still didn't do any better than Carter as far as money handling goes -- deficits may be abstract to the average citizen, but unless something is done about our current one real soon (if it's not too late), we'll be in a recession that will make the Carter years seem downright hospitable. After all, we have concrete proof that the idea of spending borrowed money and pretending nothing's wrong is going out of style... "The Donald" may be forced into bankruptcy and "Trump: The Excess" is most certainly going the way of the dodo bird. The 80's are over, and even the most die-hard proponents of "trickle-down economics" are taking their blinders off. =========== From: TURTLE To: CRYSTAL Subject: ST & ST:TNG Date & Time: 06/07/90 16:20:48 Message Number 5733 Jim! Jim Kirk! This is your father speaking! Surrender to the dark side of the Force, you hoser. Act now, and I'll even throw in AM/FM radio, power steering, and a cruise control at no extra cost--and I'll even toss in landing skids so you don't tear up the turf when you get towed into the hangar. Crockett and Tubbs can't help you now... surrender or be faced with car payments FOREVER! Ha ha ha! =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: AR Downloads Date & Time: 06/07/90 16:27:13 Message Number 5734 Sure, send 'em up! =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: bad baseball Date & Time: 06/07/90 16:28:21 Message Number 5735 >I'm glad he was only the leader of the greatest country on earth... Ronald Reagan was Swiss? =========== From: TURTLE To: ANGEL Subject: Small fib con't Date & Time: 06/07/90 16:33:05 Message Number 5736 Ghi! I wasn't suggesting that that ethic (people should be cared for exclusively by friends and family) as being /confined/ to the white middle and upper classes; I'm saying that that ethic is only effective if it's /applied/ to the white middle and upper classes. In this country, friends and family of other classes and racial groups are frequently nonexistant or not in a position to assist. The tightly-knit nuclear family is the rule rather than the exception in middle-class America 8although we're working to fix that); and the exception rather than the rule in the inner city. I wouldn't say most members of the middle and upper classes are /insensitive,/ but I have noticed that they tend to have a somewhat... um, narrow world and tend to re-create all of American society in their own image. --An equal-opportunity Turtle =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: bad baseball Date & Time: 06/07/90 16:47:52 Message Number 5737 >Ronald Reagan was Swiss? There's a lot of holes in that theory. Might edam gouda, eh? =========== From: SPE11WIND To: ANGEL Subject: Small fib con't Date & Time: 06/07/90 18:40:55 Message Number 5738 The traffic in Japan is st0pped up f0r mi1es! They need 0ther transp 0rtati0n! =========== From: SPE11WIND To: DONTHEN Subject: Trek movies Date & Time: 06/07/90 18:44:18 Message Number 5739 Where can I find that? By the way, any0ne kn0w where I can find an agent (f0r my b00k) damn im tired =========== From: SPE11WIND To: DONTHEN Subject: Ron & George Date & Time: 06/07/90 18:47:08 Message Number 5740 I hate r0n f0r the nuc1ear p0wer p1ants. (n0 f10wer j0kes turt1e) =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TURTLE Subject: bad baseball Date & Time: 06/07/90 18:48:51 Message Number 5741 B00M! I 1iked that 0ne! =========== From: SPE11WIND To: THRUD Subject: bad baseball Date & Time: 06/07/90 18:50:04 Message Number 5742 H0b E N0b =========== From: BEATLE To: SPE11WIND Subject: Enterprise Down Date & Time: 06/07/90 22:17:25 Message Number 5744 > They put the old Star Trek back up for a month. I don't like this "musical Treks" thing. I STILL have to get a TNG rerun to complete my collection. They have had Original Trek TWICE since the particular TG episode was on last... Can't they make up their mind? Or maybe leave regular Trek daily and make TNG weekly? I don't understand their idea here. Also, strangely enough, Ch. 36 from Ft. Myers is alternating Treks AT THE SAME TIME AS 44!! They don't even run the same daily episodes... it's odd to say the least... =========== From: BEATLE To: DONTHEN Subject: Trek movies Date & Time: 06/07/90 22:21:39 Message Number 5745 > June 16th is probably the date everyone's going to be making a trek to > see AKIRA. I knew that. I want to go. The thing is, if the movie is in the afternoon, we can do BOTH... I need to know what time the movie starts in Tampa... I want to do both on the same day because I'm going to have my grandmother visiting, and TWO days away would be a bit rude, but ONE day to a lot of stuff with friends could pass... Didn't you see my message asking about AKIRA?? =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: Warp Factors Date & Time: 06/07/90 22:51:12 Message Number 5746 I just finished uploading a file to here called "Warp Factors". It finished at a whopping 512 blocks on my end. My directory says 258, but I guess uploading blocks are different than directory blocks on my c=64... Anyway, what the file is is a discussion of warp drive on ships of the Federation. Rufus wanted me to upload it earlier, and I just got around to it now. The real techincal types should love this. It's long, wordy, and full of NUMBERS... =========== From: SPE11WIND To: BEATLE Subject: Trek movies Date & Time: 06/07/90 23:39:01 Message Number 5747 If we can d0 b0th, I want t0 g0. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: BEATLE Subject: Warp Factors Date & Time: 06/07/90 23:39:54 Message Number 5748 Put it 0n C0urts's Gfi1es t00. I saw an ana1ysis 0f warp in Star10g a c0up1e years back. =========== From: DONTHEN To: SPE11WIND Subject: Small fib con't Date & Time: 06/08/90 00:44:38 Message Number 5750 > The traffic in Japan is st0pped up f0r miles! What in the he11 d0es this have t0 d0 with anything any0ne e1se was ta1king ab0ut? ... they were talking about social problems, and you're informing us about their space problems. (I could also point out that it's a moot point, since most Japanese don't use cars to begin with and the best-selling car over there is a 2-cylinder jobber -- there just aren't any long distances to go when you're on one of a group of small Pacific islands.) =========== From: DONTHEN To: SPE11WIND Subject: Yo Date & Time: 06/08/90 00:47:56 Message Number 5751 You can order "Yo" through Double Diamond Press. Finding an agent isn't terribly easy. It's easiest if you're already published. For the most part, you have to be recommended to an agent by one of their established clients. You are /probably/ better off finding a company willing to take over-the-transom novels, like Del Rey. I could point out that it might not be a bad idea to put your writing through workshops, classes, and the like, building into writing a bit more slowly. If your work isn't polished enough -- which could mean anything from being too first-draftish to violating too many technical rules to having a cliched plot, or even just not being in the standard manuscript format -- you're likely to get nothing but a form rejection letter after waiting eight to sixteen months for a reply. =========== From: DONTHEN To: BEATLE Subject: Trek movies Date & Time: 06/08/90 00:53:55 Message Number 5752 Problem: I have no idea when the movie starts in Tampa. I will be able to find out this weekend (when I'm in Tampa).... =========== From: DONTHEN To: BEATLE Subject: Warp Factors Date & Time: 06/08/90 00:54:57 Message Number 5753 Commodore "blocks" on the disk are 255 bytes long. An XMODEM "block" is 128 bytes long. Hence the difference. As an item of hacker curiosity, most disk blocks -- what most computers call sectors -- are a multiple of 128 bytes long. The CP/M standard was originally 128-byte sectors, later changed to 256, 512 or 1024, depending on the specific machine's format; TRS-80 DOS's use 256-byte sectors, and MS-DOS generally uses 512-byte sectors. Question of the week: if Commodore 64/128 blocks are 255 bytes instead of the more obvious 256, where did the other byte go? (Answer: damned if I know, and I haven't been able to find anyone else who knows, either.) =========== From: SPE11WIND To: DONTHEN Subject: Small fib con't Date & Time: 06/08/90 01:38:04 Message Number 5754 I'd say traffic backed up that far is pretty much as0cia1 pr0b1em t00 =========== From: KEN OBER To: DONTHEN Subject: RightSoft... Date & Time: 06/08/90 09:32:51 Message Number 5755 My friend's name is Tony Gagnon...... =========== From: KEN OBER To: TURTLE Subject: AR Downloads Date & Time: 06/08/90 09:33:44 Message Number 5756 Okay -- what's the best way to send it? (ARC, ZOO, LHARC, ZIP, etc..) =========== From: BEATLE To: DONTHEN Subject: Trek movies Date & Time: 06/08/90 11:11:46 Message Number 5757 > I have no idea when the movie starts in Tampa. PLEASE find out and let me know when you do. =========== From: CRYSTAL To: RUFUS Subject: Great Idea Date & Time: 06/08/90 12:00:53 Message Number 5758 Sunday morning would be great. What time. * CRYSTAL * =========== From: DONTHEN To: KEN OBER Subject: AR Downloads Date & Time: 06/08/90 12:19:30 Message Number 5759 The best way to send a download is by XMODEM Checksum. If you want to know the best way to ARCHIVE it, I'd suggest LHARC. Turtle will probably say something different, though. (ARC is the most universal, followed by ZIP -- but I can't get things out of all types of ZIP libraries, whereas I can get them out of LZH, ARC and ZOO files easily. ZOO is pretty much useless except under Unix and AmigaDOS, and doesn't save any space over the other ones anyway). =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Warp Factors Date & Time: 06/08/90 13:46:43 Message Number 5760 >My directory says 258, but I guess uploading blocks are different than >directory blocks on my c=64... Indeed they are. An XModem block is 128 bytes long. A c=64 disk block is (get this) /255/ bytes long. Of course, every other computer on earth that uses sectors approximately that size uses 256 byte sectors; I'm baffled as to why Commodore format uses 255...Anyway, 128 bytes is the length of a logical record in CP/M, and XModem originated with CP/M. There is also an XModem 1K standard that uses 1K blocks, which is kinda neat since a lot of CP/M formats use physical record sizes of 1K. If you break the big blocks into little blocks, you get 8 logical blocks for every physical block, which is a whole lotta blocks. Then you you scatter 'em all over the floor and Mom gets mad, even though you explain to her that that's the only way you can find the long, skinny red ones because they never put enough of those in a bag of blocks and that's always the kind you need to build a castle. =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: AR Downloads Date & Time: 06/08/90 13:55:12 Message Number 5762 ARC or ZIP files are preferred if you want to send stuff here, since most people in the computing universe can deal with both of those formats. Almost nobody other than Amiga hackers uses Zoo; LHARC can't always be extracted by everyone; and whatever you do, don't send me LZC ("vaporized") files. Nobody on Earth except Amiga and Unix people can deal with LZC, despite the fact that it's an eeensy-teensy tiny bit more efficient than LHARC and therefore is a good candidate for the Commpression Technique of the Month (tm) in the Mush world. =========== From: THRUD To: SPE11WIND Subject: bad baseball Date & Time: 06/08/90 17:51:06 Message Number 5763 by golly young spellwind, you're going to have to learn to speak in polysyllables (and I need to learn to spell). Straighten up and fly right or your mother and I will take away your numeric keypad. Hob E. Thrud =========== From: THRUD To: BEATLE Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/08/90 17:54:52 Message Number 5764 They only have x number of each show available for syndication. When they've run thru all the STs, then they should run all the TNG's 'available', and then back again. Perhaps the one not shown was more recent and not in syndication yet. One positive aspect is that they're sure to make tons of TNG, having seen the market value of ST reruns. Another plus is that now that Wesley is a full ensign, maybe he'll get laid and quit worrying about space time warp fulcron eptone belizids and saving the ship all the time. Don't you wish TNG was R rated and they could have shown the cleavage queen in toto (gofer it turtle) when the Ferengi beamed her out of her clothes? =========== From: TREE BEARD To: TURTLE Subject: untidy afterlif Date & Time: 06/08/90 19:49:16 Message Number 5765 endorfance (sp?), I have heard about that, I just never associated it with muscle capabilities. And what I had heard about Angel Dust implied that it raised the adrenalin level. Well, I was misinformed. (Shows you what highschool biology can do for you!) I whish that they offered biology at Ringling! Anyway, I was egzadurating about all the nerons firing at once just to make a point. (One should not full around with intelligent people like that, they will get you every time!) Someday, I believe we will be more able to control our bodies to the point were we can actively will most diseases away. (People have done it with cancer, and other melignant diseases with a positive attidute, and will power.) Allthough, I doubt we ever will be able to stop death completely unless we can figure out prosthetic brains! Because there is a general cellure breakdown wich can be slowed but not stopped. Say the a body starts out with enough energy to make a person live for 200 years. Now, if we were not equipped to have children, we would be able to use all our energies toward fighting disease, rather than the energy intensive childbearing routine, we might be able to live for those 200 years. With childbearing, we would have a 100 or less lifespan!. Take a look at certain mammels who have children every 2 to 10 years. I think you will find that they have a much longer lifespan. In the opposite childbearing arena, look at mayflies. They live for only a few weeks at most. Dying as soon as they breed. So, if we can slow down the childbearing process, we could put a lot more energy into fighting off diseases, thereby living longer, and have a slight population leveling. (I know that if people lived longer, then there would be a greater population, but with controlled breading, it would soon level off) It would mean not only survival of the species, but also a better life! And less doctors! (Nothing against doctors and lawyers, except for the cost) A Broke Tree... =========== From: TREE BEARD To: JONBOY Subject: skirts III Date & Time: 06/08/90 20:10:45 Message Number 5766 Perfectionism comes in many ways. I will not be a one of the corporate sheep because I cant fit in to any one group (except I do fit in with those people who do not fit in!) Anyway, to be original, one has to go against the grain once in awhile. That does not mean to break any laws. Although, there are some rules, and there will be more, that need to be broken. Anyway, If some coporate lamb or english teacher judges me soley on my spelling then let that person judge themself. If they find themselves perfect than I do not need to talk to them, and they do not need to talk to me. After all, they are perfect, and would find it very boring to talk to me or anyone else for that matter. Anyway, I wish I had paid more attention in highschool to all the rules, because by now I would not have trouble with these rules. But I didn't, so i will try to be a better speller (and typist!), but I am not brain dead (most of the time), so don't judge me by my spelling. (Other wise you would think I was brain dead...) Climbing the ladder of life And trying not to step on anyone, Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: JONBOY Subject: afterlife cont. Date & Time: 06/08/90 20:22:38 Message Number 5767 You should not believe that doctors can do everything. They can do some wonderfull stuff... but the bodies own immune system is so much more wornderfull, as is the brain! I don't think that the only way for the body to get adrenalin is from an external source. You could probably use a every known instrument to save a person, and they could still die with enough will. (of course mechanical means such can be used to keep the blood oxygenated, and pumping through the body, but that is only a tempory messure. The machine can always be unpluged, we can't be (for the most part)) =========== From: TREE BEARD To: JONBOY Subject: express Date & Time: 06/08/90 20:29:43 Message Number 5768 Batik, I know of one girl who does quite well at school and can batik some quite beautifull pictures. (I hope that batiking is the dying of cloth over wax, cause if it isn't then she doesn't and I don't) Any way, I love to draw, and I paint with watercolors, oils and guasche. I paint and draw in a large format, and someday I hope that they perfect LCD displays so that they can be flat and as large as a wall (what a wonderfull media to work with - electronic) I have done some sculpture which I enjoyed the process, but did not like the finished product! A colorfull tree =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TURTLE Subject: BBS LIST Date & Time: 06/08/90 22:36:56 Message Number 5769 Chipper C1ipper: 754-5677 1200 baud. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TREE BEARD Subject: afterlife cont. Date & Time: 06/08/90 22:39:58 Message Number 5770 H0w ab0ut Dr. Death, the guy that made that suicide machine and 1et a w0man with a1zheimer's (sp?) use it. =========== From: TREE BEARD To: SPE11WIND Subject: after Death Date & Time: 06/09/90 00:36:10 Message Number 5771 Hmmm, depends on how you view suicide. I would say that I do not know of one christian religion which does not say that suicide is a mortal sin (ie, you will go to hell!)... now, could not Jesus dying on a cross be considered suicide? He had powers and his father had powers by which he did not have to die on a cross... Is this suicide? He chose to die for us (if this is what you believe)... (I personally don't know, I would be gratefull if there was a logical answer to this) Now, this is why I can't handle most religeons-- too many loopholes! So, if one were to throw out the religeous aspect, then people should have the right to take their own life. And as far as Dr. Death (as you call him) (I can't remember his name either) is concerned, he did nothing wrong. If you blame him for developing the suicide machine, then you have to blame the original maker of a gun for every suicide that has ever been done with a gun! ^the As far as I am concerned, the suicide machine is a safe and effective means of dying (It won't make yu a vegetable nor will it put you in a mental institution). I do not believe that suicide should be even conteplated, much less have help doing for a person who is drunk, insane, or not in control of themselves... (Same as a will, sound mind and body) There is also something called a living will.. It means that if you die, or are dying, and you have a living will, the doctor and or paramedics will not try and revive you. In this I believe whole heartedly. Suicide is rarely the right answer, but in certain cases it should be allowed. Just like the death penalty is allowed in some states. Give me freedom, Or at least give me a fresh pop-tart Tree =========== From: KEN OBER To: TURTLE Subject: Okay-- Date & Time: 06/09/90 14:05:04 Message Number 5773 I'm going to send the files LHARC sice I can't find anything to compress an archive -- Just decompress.... =========== From: BEATLE To: THRUD Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/09/90 16:03:13 Message Number 5774 The episode I need IS in the syndication. All episodes INCLUDING new ones are in syndication (NOT on Fox as some believe) anyway. What they have been doing with ST and TNG is running some and then in the middle of the episode set, they switch to a mid-season episode of the other, do the other show for a while and switch back and say "TNG returns Monday!! =========== From: RUFUS To: DONTHEN Subject: Trek movies Date & Time: 06/09/90 17:50:53 Message Number 5775 This is at the Tampa Thearte? Will we be going on Saturday? =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: Warp Factors Date & Time: 06/09/90 17:55:30 Message Number 5776 Much thanks for uploading the file. I'll go and DL sometime soon. =========== From: RUFUS To: DONTHEN Subject: Warp Factors Date & Time: 06/09/90 17:57:37 Message Number 5777 All those extra bytes from the C 64/128 are being used the build a supercomputer out of the socks you lose in the dryer. =========== From: RUFUS To: CRYSTAL Subject: Great Idea Date & Time: 06/09/90 17:58:52 Message Number 5778 Oh boy, I have no idea. Right now I don't know what's happening to my body on Sunday (my brain will be off somewhere, but I could be out mountain biking [which, with no mountains within a few hundred miles is very hard], or racing cars, or, space aliens could let me help them untransreverse Ken Obers brain). How about a weekday of some sort?? =========== From: RUFUS To: THRUD Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/09/90 18:03:48 Message Number 5779 >Don't you wish TNG was R rated and they could have shown the >cleavage queen in toto... Yes. I like how the Ferengi operate. On another note. What happens when you transport someone into a wall? I assume they die because a wall in you would not be healthy. Now, what happens when you transport someone into a sandstorm (like in ST II)? Wouldn't that be unsafe? =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: substitutions Date & Time: 06/09/90 19:13:32 Message Number 5780 I'll put it on the "when I ever take the Apple out of the box and hook it up I should get this for Turtle" list. I didn't forget about droppin the stuff off at your place. I worked late due to "design changes" thta involved major data structure revision on my code. Sighhhh Bright Point of the Week!!! I just got Turbo C++ and -- WOW! Somebody finally made a good platform for programming projects!!! I'm ecstatic and wildly delirious... can I code any better ? Nahhhhhhh..... But I *am* faster! JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Small fib Date & Time: 06/09/90 19:18:08 Message Number 5781 Hmmmm - you wanna re-read your post and point out which of the maladies that you would *not* like to see that isn't here right now? You already share the hiways, byways and flyways with millions of irresponsible people. As far as you paying the tab - read my post again. You play... YOU pay. I feel that insurance is the biggest scam before or since Dianetics. Why should you insure morons? That's just like a socialist plan to save the dumb bastard from the fruits of his stupidity. As far as drugs being legal - why not? Time and time again the studies show that the REAL problem is education and awareness. Hell what can you say about kids getting high on Toulene? They banned airplane glue sales to minors for awhile!! Big friggin deal!!!! The attitude those kids had was the problem to begin with - not the damned Tolulene. SO what do we do? Ou government in it's ever-broadening quest for more strings on the populace of potential puppets makes a mega force DEA and gives 'em lots of guns, boats, planes, radars and legal powers that boggle the mind - for what? To keep certain alkaloids and their chemica derivatives out of the hands of a group of people that are hell bent on self-destruction anyway. The real vicious loop is the high price the stuff commands (from being illegal) that allows the successful dealer to have an enviable lifestyle to the fellow inner-city inhabitants who figure that this is where the real money and success is to be made by people in their social strata. Take out the big bucks and make it available to anyone and *poof* the mystique and attraction are gone. An Education-is-the-best-weapon JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Small fib con't Date & Time: 06/09/90 19:34:42 Message Number 5782 Gee! You weren't finished... how nice! We bitch, piss and moan about the high cost of health care and taxes now! Would you care to investigate what the tax structure is in these countries that you so admire? (Hint: Denmark > 50% taxes!) And to boot the supposed equal standing for all is a joke - you got more clout you get better service is the rule. Also - why in the hell are we such a sickly crowd anyway? Could it be that our giant farm/industrial complex isn't doing such a wonderful job of putting REAL nutrition into our bodies? Just about any food that you care to name reads like a Jr Chemistry set - nuch less the carbohydrate chains that Mother Nature INTENDED should nourish and build our bodies. Fact: Europesan countries have a more extensive medical care setup for their citizens. Fact: They use them less because they are generally healthier in their eating habits than we are. Fact: Even though they use them less their tax rates are FAR in excess of ours even with our extensive military budget to feed. So what's so wonderful about that? An Unimpressed JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Party??? Date & Time: 06/09/90 19:44:09 Message Number 5783 Hexplain why eess eemportant pleyusss. =========== From: JONBOY To: DONTHEN Subject: Incidentally, Date & Time: 06/09/90 19:45:35 Message Number 5784 I believe they are hiring in the thermistor department at Hi-Stat. It isn't the most challenging job at first but it is a foot in the door. There will be major opportunities for SPC in manufacturing with computer control soon. The thermistor department is expecting extreme growth so it would be a decent thing to be in first on with promotions and such. =========== From: JONBOY To: DONTHEN Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/09/90 19:48:20 Message Number 5785 Hmmm well, our best "modern" medicine doesn't do too well on viral infections either. Were you aware that the best we can do is to put it in remission? ANY virus... Also - many respectable scientists are goin back to nature to find what many ancient herbologists knew - plants can in fact effect cures and remidies for many illnesses that have baffled doctors for years. My personal opinion of the "average" doctor is that he has at best a 10% advantage over a witchdoctor or shaman in the same room and I would PROBABLY prefer their company! Ok to play devils advocate: MSG - food flavor enhancer - source of the sometimes fatal Chinese Restaurant syndrome. Thalidomide babies: enuf said of a real tragedy. IUD's : birth control touted as "extremely effective and safe" by the modern medical community. They are still reeling from the damages inflicted on females by this device. While not exactly diseases - they are indications that our doctors are sometimes no better than fools drunk with their own importance and infallibility. Modern medicine! Most of the "advances" that we have made are ones of hygiene and not of any miraculous wonder drugs. Every year they come out with something new and the doctors prescribe it simply because it is new with no thought as to it's effects. There is usually a shotgun approach in the medication just so all bases are covered. I personally have been prescibed a drug that was used for a gram negative bacterial infection when the problem was diagnosed as viral!!!! But the doctor assured me that this was being used to treat it. What I did was a: never went to a doctor ever again if I can help it by trying to eat right and stay healthy b: Made some chicken soup with lots of garlic and cayenne pepper. Sweated for about 1 hour and felt fine the next morning. Bah! doctors. =========== From: JONBOY To: DONTHEN Subject: Warp Factors Date & Time: 06/09/90 20:13:24 Message Number 5786 0 (zero) is a number too and starts the block count. =========== From: JONBOY To: TREE BEARD Subject: untidy afterlif Date & Time: 06/09/90 20:16:27 Message Number 5787 Ok here's an exception - the lowly 17 year locust (which we call a cicada and is heard going Reee REEEEE RREREEEEEEE RREEEEEEEEEEEEE in the trees this time of year) spends 17 years in the ground under the tree it eggs wre laid under as a larva and pupae. When it emerges and becomes an adult cicada it lives for exactly 3 weeks to breed and die. Back to Nature JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: TREE BEARD Subject: skirts III Date & Time: 06/09/90 20:20:18 Message Number 5788 You missed the boat - the point of my epistle WAS to tell you that I DO NOT judge you on your spelling. :) =========== From: JONBOY To: TREE BEARD Subject: express Date & Time: 06/09/90 20:22:15 Message Number 5789 I think I met that young lady at the last exhibit that was at Sarasota Quay a month or so ago. She in fact , was impressive. There was also an artist that I very much admired her work because her cards looked so - so - well... girlish but yet her painting evoked such raw emotions that I could feel my heartrate go up just looking at one. I was intrigued by the contrast because her paintings were very ANGRY. Her name was Tippin. Ask this person that does the batik if there is a text that I could get that describes the technique - pretty please??? =========== From: JONBOY To: TREE BEARD Subject: after Death Date & Time: 06/09/90 20:27:08 Message Number 5790 Man, some of you people have weird ideas about the word SIN. All sin is - is something that you are not supposed to do. It is NOT a guaran- teed passport to hell or a certificate of perversity. Ok - bring out the blinders it's it's <<< OH NO >>> a Bible verse but I won't tell you where so you won't feel obliged to look it up: For ALL men have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Gee that wasn't too hard and it makes you even feel kinda normal knowing that even the greatest heroes of the Bible sinned on a regular basis. Anyone look up the think about Lot's daughters? A Bible-thumpin JonBoy!! =========== From: MMILLER To: TURTLE Subject: Coherent Date & Time: 06/09/90 21:02:32 Message Number 5791 Just thought I'd let you know my first impression of Mark Williams new UN*X clone, COHERENT. I've only had it up and running for about two days, but here's what I've found so far. First of all, installation was a breeze. I gave it an 11 meg partition and it only used about 6 meg and that includes the on-line manual and spell checker! The package seems to fairly complete. It includes a C compiler (K&R only, not ANSI and only SMALL model), MicroEMACS, nroff, awk, uucp and a host of other utilities. There is a kermit comm. program also. This is a much better OS than I had expected for $100. Mark Williams claims that COHERENT is very System V compatible and from what I've seen that appears to be the case. My only complaint is that their implementation of MicroEMACS is a bit on the anemic side. Oh yeah, and I wish the C compiler supported some other memory models on Intels brain-dead segmented memory scheme. Anyone else out there playing with COHERENT yet? I've used other REAL UN*X systems and I can't tell a lot of difference yet. Oh, by the way, COHERENT was wriitten from scratch so that Mark Williams could avoid the hefty licensing fees from AT&T and so that it would run on 286 machines with 640k. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TREE BEARD Subject: after Death Date & Time: 06/09/90 21:44:41 Message Number 5792 I hate when pe0p1e ta1k ab0ut christ t0 me. I think it's acr0ck. I'm f0r the Mercy ki11ing, against death pena1ty. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: RUFUS Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/09/90 21:47:37 Message Number 5793 Besides thew fact y0u'd have sand in a11 y0ur 0rgans, Naaah. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: JONBOY Subject: C0ws Date & Time: 06/09/90 21:49:48 Message Number 5794 H0w, 'b0ut that h0rm0ne they want t0 give c0ws f0r m0re mi1k H0w 'b0ut them cubs. =========== From: YNGLING To: TURTLE Subject: Whorf Date & Time: 06/09/90 23:36:17 Message Number 5795 Turtle, You are commenting on a subject I have never broached. I dont /care/ whether Kirk was captain kickass or not...I was replying to someone else's comments re: Whorf. Personally, I think ST displays an amazing lack of advisement re: military protocal ( which accounts for 99.9% of the stupid shit Kirk does ). But the subject at hand is Whorf's pugulistic abilities which, in the final analysis suck. The Yngling =========== From: CRYSTAL To: RUFUS Subject: Great Idea Date & Time: 06/10/90 00:32:19 Message Number 5796 Let me know and then I will give you my work scheduel. How does that sound. * CRYSTAL * =========== From: DONTHEN To: RUFUS Subject: Trek movies Date & Time: 06/10/90 02:09:52 Message Number 5797 As far as I know. I still don't know when it's playing, though. We can always buy the Tampa Tribune this Friday and find out fur sure.... =========== From: DONTHEN To: JONBOY Subject: Warp Factors Date & Time: 06/10/90 02:14:25 Message Number 5798 > 0 (zero) is a number too and starts the block count. Yes, I know. If this is in regard to C= computers and file transfers, when I said they had 255 bytes in a disk block, that's exactly what I meant, not that they had 256 bytes numbered 0 to 255. =========== From: KEN OBER To: *ALL* Subject: Akira & Stuff Date & Time: 06/10/90 12:56:12 Message Number 5800 Okay, I will be leaving town until about Thursday or Friday..My BBS will still be up and people can leave me mail if they have any questions... I believe the plan is that we are going to see Akira sometime Saturday -- Only Donthen knows the true time ON Saturday it starts! :) Anyways, as far as I know, I am driving, and bringing Rufus & Zot Gnop along -- This leaves room for 2 more people to get a ride from me -- I believe Donthen is also driving, or someone else -- Anyways, I'd like this.. (1) Donthen -- Please E-Mail me the details of what we are doing... (OR Turtle can send me mail if he knows what's going on) (2) If anyone wants a ride, PLEASE send me E-Mail before Thursday, or better yet, send Rufus mail so that he can work out who is getting a ride from me....Anyways, live long and prosper.... -Ken Ober- CALL THE ABRACADABRA BBS! 813/378-2218 8-N-1-1200 Sarasota, Fl Oh -- BTW...I got word from the author of Paragon...The reason it isn't in yet is because he's waiting for V 2.07 to be completed, he said he could send me 2.03 if I needed it ASAP -- I told him to wait for 2.07 I also inquired about the FIDONET question -- he said "It is POSSIBLE, but it would be a Herculan task." He believes a limited (2 or 3) echo situation can be set up by cutting down the node list to the smallest size possible -- He warned me that it would be slow since I am running off of floppies, tho....But what I am going to do is use a program on my BBS disks ATLEAST once a week that blitzes them into running up to 500% faster -- This should be of some help....Anyways, see everyone when I get back... =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: Trek runs Date & Time: 06/10/90 19:36:28 Message Number 5801 Now that Wesley's a full ensign, I suspect he's much more likely to get eaten by a rabid wombat than to get laid and get a life. If anything the little pipsqueek's probably going to take his miscellaneous duties as General Ship Savior (tm) even more seriously than before... ...when did the Ferengi beam Troi out of her clothes??!! I musta missed that one! I knew there was some reason I should become a couch potato! (Hey, do you think maybe in the Next Generation movie...?? Naah, never mind.) --A Next Generation Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: Warp Factors Date & Time: 06/10/90 19:50:22 Message Number 5802 When you download the file, please bear in mind that it is now 66K rather than 64K as the file description states, and will take a considerable amount of time. Beatle uploaded it in PETASCII; I had to write a program to translate it into ASCII and add linefeeds after all the carriage returns for people without C= machines. If you don't require linefeeds after CR's, then the file will appear to be double- spaced to you; you'll have to remove all the LF's from it before you try to read it. --An EBCDIC Turtle (HA! Just kidding! I hate EBCDIC!) =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Small fib Date & Time: 06/10/90 19:55:15 Message Number 5803 While I may be forced to share the highway with the occasional drunk and cokehead as it is, I'm really somewhat suspicious that the number of 'em won't significantly increase if hard drugs are legalized. I don't see any problem with legalizing drugs like pot--hell, it's a safer intoxicant than alcohol!--but selling heroin in the local drugstore and then saying "don't worry, we'll educate everyone so it won't be a problem" seems like a kind of insane course of action to me. Do you really think that problems with drug abuse will lessen if you can go down to the local Circle-K and buy a hit of crack for $1.95? On the other hand, the money we're spending to keep it out of the country isn't doing two shit's worth of good (obviously--the price of coke in Miami is STILL going down!), so interdiction isn't an answer either. Perhaps keep drugs illegal AND spend money on education rather than wasting it on interdiction? I'm eager to hear anyone's solutions, although I'm not really keen on the "make 'em legal and cross your fingers" approach. --A skeptical Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Small fib con't Date & Time: 06/10/90 20:03:43 Message Number 5804 Yes, the tax structure in a number of European countries is rather outrageous compared to that in this country, but I'm not convinced that that's due strictly to the fact that those countries have public health care. (That's kind of misleading, too...if taxes here were higher but we had public health care, we wouldn't have to spend anything on medical insurance and similar expenses; I wonder what teh REAL net economic impact would be?) In any event, I'm not proposing to model a system of public health care after Denmark's or to force the hapless John Q. Public to shell out twice as much to Uncle Sam as he does now. However, considering that Uncle Sam has a great deal of my money as it is, I'd rather it be spent to, say, make American cities less closely resemble Lebanon than to purchase, say, large and obscenely expensive bombers that are awkward, slow, not radar-invisible, and cost literally more than their own weight in gold. The money that certain factions of the militart/industrial complex would like to see getting blown on the aformentioned flying elephants could quite nicely clean up a few of America's more embarrassing messes, and it wouldn't be completely lost when some yoyo teaching his kid how to shoot a .22 rifle accidentally shoots down the most amazing piece of flying hardware on earth. --A rational Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Party??? Date & Time: 06/10/90 20:11:21 Message Number 5805 A video device is important to a furry party because a party doesn't become furry until some form of furry entertainment is present. (Mind you, the entertainment is necessary but not sufficient to make a party furry...it's all very metaphysical.) =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Doctalk Date & Time: 06/10/90 20:13:47 Message Number 5806 >Bah! Doctors. If I have a severe streptococci infection, I'll take penecillin or E-mycin over chicken soup every day. It's easy to exaggerate the effectiveness of modern medical treatments, sure, but it's also real easy to go overboard the other way; diseases that were almost inevidably fatal even sixty years ago are fairly trivial today. Personally, I'll take the doctor with the obnoxious attitude over the shaman with a lot of enthusiasm but very little else. =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: after Death Date & Time: 06/10/90 20:18:08 Message Number 5807 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of Bob...but that's okay, he doesn't mind. Bob, you see, can sin right along with the best of 'em. =========== From: TURTLE To: MMILLER Subject: Coherent Date & Time: 06/10/90 20:20:12 Message Number 5808 When are they going to port COHERENT over to Z-System? :) =========== From: TURTLE To: YNGLING Subject: Worf Date & Time: 06/10/90 20:21:19 Message Number 5809 Well, good fighter or no, at least Worf never has to look too far for a Halloween costume! /I/ wouldn't want to try to fight him, though. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TURTLE Subject: Party??? Date & Time: 06/10/90 23:07:57 Message Number 5810 Did s0me0ne insinuate the p0ssibi1ity 0f a party? =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Trek runs Date & Time: 06/10/90 23:41:59 Message Number 5811 > when did the Ferengi beam Troi out of her clothes? It was in the latest Lwaxana Troi episode, "Menage A Troi". The Ferengi put Troi and her mother in a cell with Riker, and since they don't think females deserve the "honor" of clothes, they beam them in to question them without clothes. Thank god they left Riker in the cell!! =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Warp Factors Date & Time: 06/10/90 23:44:46 Message Number 5812 Sorry about the file. I had NO idea what to do with it since it was Pet ASCII. I wish the C= did some good stuff with regular ASCII, but alas, I am stuck until I can afford something better. I can't even read "FurBytes" since I don't have anything that will convert ASCII and take out all control codes and leave the capital letters intact... ah welll. =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/10/90 23:49:57 Message Number 5813 Well, it looks as if the controversy over the group 2 Live Crew. Not only is there now further court problems over the album "As Nasty as They Want to Be" but now the group has been ARRESTED! I don't like their "music" but I do favor the right for people to listen to it. The heart of the matter lies with the interpretation of "obscenity"... Now wht does the law define as "obscene"??? I would REALLY like to know. =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: oops Date & Time: 06/10/90 23:53:54 Message Number 5814 I know, the first sentence of that last message is a fragment. You all know what I was getting at, don't you?? =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: SPE11WIND Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/10/90 23:58:38 Message Number 5815 How far 'back' would you take us? 'Til we're one celled creatures again? I think we're really screwing this place up, but we have the potential to really do something GOOD here. I read once that the cost over-runs (NOT the actual cost, but just the 'over-budget' stuff) for one year in the military program for the Nike-Hercules missle project (I believe the year was '72) was MORE $money$ then we have spent on the entire history of NASA. Just think what we could do if we spent our money on trying to live together rather then kill each other......ssssssh*t.. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: JONBOY Subject: Incidentally, Date & Time: 06/11/90 00:04:32 Message Number 5817 Last time I was up there I think it would be about a 50 mile commute just to get to a decent place to live. There are some nice places closer , but you had better be willing (and able) to fork out $300K minimum.... not on $50K a year.......noper =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: BEATLE Subject: rally? Date & Time: 06/11/90 00:07:03 Message Number 5818 Yup, the rally trip is a TEAM effort, you either win or loose (or just have a damn good time) as a TEAM. Individuals should stay home, (or maybe they could man the HELP lines....haha). =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: DONTHEN Subject: Incidentally, Date & Time: 06/11/90 00:11:03 Message Number 5819 How would you know you have done a successful installation of AutoCAD if you didn't know how it is supposed to operate???.....strange, these humans......... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/11/90 00:13:58 Message Number 5820 It would just seem a little rediculous to cause your own race's extinction. THAT would (probably) be a first (and maybe a last). Maybe some mutated form of human would take over the planet and run things right, equality for all life, respect for other creatures and the planet we live on, quality living with nature and Mother Earth, planning for the conquest of advanced goals in science and industry and in the advancement of the 'good life'............nawwwwwwwww =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: FemTalk (tm) Date & Time: 06/11/90 00:17:37 Message Number 5821 I just will admitt to being uncomfortable about it and not very understanding of it. I don't buy the argument that it is a 'natural' act and many other species of animals practice it so we should as well. My daughter had hampsters that had offspring which the mother decided to have for lunch one day....hey! a natural act, we should allow it, too. Incest was very prominent....hey! another natural act! Don't like the way your kids are.....hey, take 'em out...make more! I think I can face my children's questions about it....I just don't think I have any good answers. My kids are faced with a world of child kidnapping galour, child rape, child murder and tourture, early childhood drug and alcohol addiction, AIDS, and a host of other things that I don't particularly care to throw in the face of a first or second grader. I can try my best to let them know how to protect themselves from being on a milk carton, but I don't have the answers when they ask me 'why' people do those things. I guess the homosexual issue would fall in theat same gray area.......a sssssssssstimied parental SNAKEBYTE. . =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: IQ & Courts... Date & Time: 06/11/90 00:25:45 Message Number 5822 Too many folks out there think testing your IQ is like testing your temperature. Well, I guess it would be if all you had to go off of was someone's opinion of your temp by looking at you through a screen door from across the street. And a different person gave you their opinion each year..... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: C.C.A. Subject: Courts of Chaos Date & Time: 06/11/90 00:30:28 Message Number 5823 You're welcome (I guess). What does C.C.A. stand for (or is it something we should inquire about)? ssssssssssS.N.A.K.E.B.Y.T.E. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/11/90 09:01:08 Message Number 5824 Ancient Sumer. Bef0re war. =========== From: DONTHEN To: TURTLE Subject: Party??? Date & Time: 06/11/90 09:15:31 Message Number 5825 Although the furry entertainment in question could be, in addition to videotapes and other electronic media, sketches, photocopies, story readings (I haven't heard of this one but it seems possible, neh?), on-the-spot sketches, odd soft drinks and/or alcohol, juggling foxes, and Omaha. =========== From: DONTHEN To: BEATLE Subject: Trek runs Date & Time: 06/11/90 09:18:28 Message Number 5826 > ...Thank god they left Riker in the cell!! Although Riker probably wouldn't agree with that sentiment. =========== From: DONTHEN To: BEATLE Subject: Warp Factors Date & Time: 06/11/90 09:19:02 Message Number 5827 FurBytes doesn't have any control codes except for imbedded backspaces. If your printer has the ability to process ASCII codes, you can just do a dump of it that way -- it's supposed to be printed out anyway. =========== From: DONTHEN To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Incidentally, Date & Time: 06/11/90 09:20:49 Message Number 5828 I've worked with CAD programs before, just not AutoCAD (and not on a regular basis). And, it doesn't take a CAD genius, or even one who's particularly competent with the program, to get into a drawing mode, see if the graphic tablet is working, see if it's displayed correctly on th monitor, doodle something (or load a test document) and see if it can be sent correctly to all the hard copy devices on the system. You don't need to know a damn thing about "PageMaker" to test it, beyond being able to select a few leading commands like "Print... (^P)" from the appropriate menu. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: Trek runs Date & Time: 06/11/90 10:01:14 Message Number 5830 >...when did the Ferengi beam Troi out of her clothes??!! Troi and her mother (who's not that shabby). You missed it. Geesh! Partial rear nudity. ...talk about a nice pair of shoulder blades. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: Warp Factors Date & Time: 06/11/90 10:03:06 Message Number 5831 >When you download the file... Your to late. I've already got it. Now I shall rule the world!! ...now, I hook one end of these wires up to Mountain Dew, the other end to a nuclear reactor. =========== From: RUFUS To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: godtalk Date & Time: 06/11/90 10:08:29 Message Number 5832 It really ticks me off when someone writes a letter to the editor saying "We should stop spending money on space exploration and spend it on _____." No one seems to realize that the military spending is much, much more than that for NASA. Sigh.... =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: PETASCII & You Date & Time: 06/11/90 17:48:45 Message Number 5834 If you know anything about programming in BASIC, it should be really easy to write a program that will convert between PETASCII and standard ASCII. To go from ASCII to PETASCII, all you need to do is open the file to translate and create a new file for the PETASCII stuff. Then, read the characters in one at a time from the input file. If the ASCII value of the character is 10 (that's a linefeed), throw it away and get the next character. If the value is between 65 and 90 (these are upperase ASCII letters), add 128 to the value and put the new character into the output file. If the value is between 97 and 122 (these are lowercase ASCII letters), subtract 32 from the value and put the new character into the output file. I don't know how C= machines handle files or anything like that, but here's pseudocode to do it: Get the character; A=ASC (character); <--Put the value of the character in A here If a=10 then loop back to the beginning; otherwise, if a>=65 and a<=90 then A=A+128 else if a>=97 and a<=122 then a=a-32; write CHR$(A) to the output file; loop back to the beginning =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/11/90 17:56:32 Message Number 5835 The legal definition of "obscene" (are you ready for this?) is "that which violates the community's standard of decency." How's that for a clear-cut, precise definition? Aah, the keen, razor-sharp insight of our lawmakers... At any rate, the controversy ovr "2 Live Crew" is /really/ starting to piss me off. Some counties are actually sending undercover deputies into record stores to try to buy the album, and if the clerk sells it to them he gets arrested. I thought this sort of shit only happened in places like Kentucky -- you know, states where it's practically a crime to smuggle books into the state (assuming anyone there knows what a book is). Time magazine had an interesting comment to make about the whole 2 Live Crew thing, in their typical underhanded way; the brief article appeared in one of their recent issues about Governor Martinez, and had a paragraph that ran something like "Since his attempt to pass stricter abortion laws backfired and Martinez has steadily lost popularity and credibility with members of both parties, he has attempted to improve his image by attacking an unlikely target: the rap group 2 Live Crew. Martinez seems to feel that if he can make a show as a force for morality, he can shed his weak and indecisive image and gain popularity with Florida's older, conservative population." So, thank you, Governor Martinez, for your selfless dedication to the cause of re-establishing the moral values of this great state. =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Money talks Date & Time: 06/11/90 18:04:31 Message Number 5836 I'm always baffled whenever I see some random group of assorted oddballs wandering around saying things like "Why are we spending so much money on space exploration when we have so many problems down here?" and "Why isn't that money going whhere it can do some good, like for Program X?" I really don't think these people are aware that NASA's annual budget is less than one-half of one percent of the military's annual budget--or if they are, that fact doesn't seem to mean diddly to them. I particularly love when they start complaining that all that space money is utterly wasted and doesn't help anyone--generally over dinner (you know, cheese sandwiches cooked in a Teflon-coated frying pan and leftovers heated int eh microwave), just before picking up Junior in their new Firebird (you know, the one with the computer- controlled tuned-port fuel-injected engine) from his computer programming class (he's hoping to get a job in electronics engineering when he grows up) so they can visit Grandma in the hospital (she's going to be released if the last CAT scan results are encouraging, you see.) Still, they do have a point; after all, what good do a bunch of stupid moon rocks actually do anyone? =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Not FemTalk Date & Time: 06/11/90 18:12:31 Message Number 5837 I'm not aware of anyone who's advocating homosexuality on the grounds that it's natural and should therefore be allowed, although I /am/ aware that some people think it should NOT be permitted on the grounds that it's "unnatural" (as if you could really legislate it out of existance, and as if, say, city dwelling is natural); to these people I would say if your definition of "natural" is "that which occurs in nature," then homosexuality is natural by definition. I hope you aren't seriously placing homosexuality and eating one's children on the same plane; yes, both of them occur in nature, but one of them occurs between consenting individuals and does not cause harm to innocent bystanders, and the other doesn't. I'll leave it to you to decide which one is which, and whether or not this difference is significant. I also don't see why you are making homosexuality into a "we must protect our children" issue. It's certainly a good idea to let children know about the hazards of taking candy from strangers, but what on earth does that have to do with explaining that not everyone has the same sexual habits? You mentioned the need to protect them from AIDS--do you think they will contract it by being told that homo- sexuality exists? That isn't an issue unless they are sexually active, in which case they absolutely need to be told about that possibility, regardless of their sexual orientation. It still sounds to me like what you're saying is "I'm uncomfortable with this thing; therefore, it should not be permitted." In the end, though, trying to prohibit homosexuality (or oral sex, or female-astride intercourse, or what have you) is an absurdity. You can do just as well passing a law prohibiting droughts or floods...in the end, you only make a mockery of the law. Regardless, this thing exists, sooner or later your children WILL be exposed to it; deal with it. Hey, nobody ever said being a parent was easy! =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: Warp Factors Date & Time: 06/11/90 19:10:46 Message Number 5838 > I already go it. Please give me some comments on it... like whether you got past the first page. =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/11/90 19:13:34 Message Number 5839 Thank you, I knew you'd know the law's definition... and /I/ believe that they aren't even FOLLOWING that definition... How many people have stood up to say "This violates my morals"? Not as many as those who stood up to say "This DOESN'T violate my morals". NOBODY would have even HEARD of the group if the governor hadn't gotten up on his soapbox and said I want this filth eradicated. Let's tromp over to his place and see what he's got in that closet! He he he... =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Not FemTalk Date & Time: 06/11/90 19:19:12 Message Number 5840 I must have missed some of the previous messages on homosexuality. I was speaking to someone the other day about it, and they have an opinion that homosexuals should not have intercourse with one another and should abstain. Actually, I don't think that's the right attitude, but at the same time, I like the idea that this person is not going to out and force them to do that. And she certainly isn't passing that attitude down to her son. I hate people who think they should make their kids believe homosexuality and racism is okay. If they don't say anything, that's even worse than expressing the attitude in front of the child. My parents are both prejudiced against blacks and homosexuals. I plan on not carrying on the attitudes. What I would really like to know now is, how can I live and speak with my parents if I don't like their beliefs or habits? I want to jump out and say "This is hurting me and you, and you should stop. If I do, they will ignore it or get angry..." Ugh, who ever said being RAISED by parents is easy? =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/11/90 22:08:01 Message Number 5841 Silly question here. If you can't sell the 2 Live Crew Album, then what's it doing in the store? (unless this ruling applies only to minors) =========== From: TREE BEARD To: JONBOY Subject: untidy afterlif Date & Time: 06/12/90 00:28:35 Message Number 5842 Well, if we spent 17 years underground in hybernation, we would live an extra 17 years also! I thought locust came in 7 year cycles... Probing into the great unknown or at least the great don't wan't to know! Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: JONBOY Subject: skirts III Date & Time: 06/12/90 00:31:33 Message Number 5843 Someone, quick, get me a life preserver... Im sinking in my own mis- interpetations! Floating down the river of life.. Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: JONBOY Subject: express Date & Time: 06/12/90 00:34:30 Message Number 5844 Yes, there are several. I'll try to get the exact information on the books soon. (In August, I can get you the books themselves!) I'm very impressed withyour descriptive critique. Most people just say "Ohhh, they were pretty" or "Verryy interesting". The one I hate the most is "My 4 year old could do that". The basic principle is fairly simple. Take cloth (Cotten) and paint wax on the portion wich you wan't to leave negative, then dye the rest. With each succesive color, you must wax the erea that you want to remain the same. Each time removing the wax with a cloth and an iron. Thats just a very basic overview, but it could get you started. Tune in tomarow for "PAINT BY NUMBERS" starring Tree Beard =========== From: TREE BEARD To: SPE11WIND Subject: after Death Date & Time: 06/12/90 00:48:07 Message Number 5845 If you reread that, I was not holding christ up and waving him about. I merely used it as an analogy in order to say that religion does not really have a place in the discussion of suicide. Why are for Mercy killing, and against the death penalty? ^you Anyway, Dr. Death is not a mercy killer. The women killed herself. I'm for the death penalty, and mercy killing (with permision befor hand) For one reason, the death penalty could be considered a mercy killing. Another thing is that the few people who do get the death penalty are killers. Many times multiple killers. (Who can not be reformed) 75%of the people who enter prison, then get paroled, will reenter prison. So, suppose we let a killer loose. Chances are that he will kill again! Suppose we just give life in prison... It costs us over 30,000 dollars a year to keep a prisoner. Multiply that by 50... Thats very expensive. When I die, my soul to keep... Or at least a facsimile Tree =========== From: SPE11WIND To: DONTHEN Subject: Party??? Date & Time: 06/12/90 03:02:02 Message Number 5846 What ab0ut R01e p1aying? (N0t with dice, human/furry r01es, p1ay the part) =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TURTLE Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/12/90 03:05:50 Message Number 5847 I think it's c010r racism and music racism. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: BEATLE Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/12/90 03:09:34 Message Number 5848 Hey t0it1e, is there a third party secti0n in the g0vern0r v0ting? =========== From: SPE11WIND To: BEATLE Subject: Not FemTalk Date & Time: 06/12/90 03:11:24 Message Number 5849 I hate parents that make their chi1dren be1eive that sex is a bad and evi1 thing. =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: vcr Date & Time: 06/12/90 05:48:57 Message Number 5850 Whadda ya think vcrs are for, shellhead? TNG is the ONLY tv show I catch every week - most other tv is dreck (exept ball games of course) The show when Damon didshit decided FE'males are not worthy to wear clothes was on June 3rd. Unfortunately, this past Sunday, I learned once again that fathers never win, as I gave my daughter a talking to about leaving lights/tv/radio/nintento/etal on, then when I programmed the vcr to record TNG, she noticed it at about 6:30 and obediently killed the power God help anybody who interupts me when they play it again on Sat. Who knows what could happen in a TNG movie. In ST V, they had a fifty year old, overweight communications officer do a fan dance on a sand dune, and that seemed to distract the sentries ( I wouda shot her for th feathers) 'Tis getting tough to get on the board in the evening. A caffeining and careening Thrud =========== From: THRUD To: BEATLE Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/12/90 06:02:06 Message Number 5851 Well, you can't accuse channel 44 of being the big time. The best solution I see is that you quit work/school/crime/whatever and get a satalite dish and scan channels 24 hours a day until you find it. what the hell, we're all getting rectangular eyebballs looking at our monitors anyway. Remember, be sure to drink coffee notstop for 12 hours of the day, and Bud Lite nonstop for the other 12. Otherwise, you couls screw up your system. Whadda ya gonna do with a TNG library? My brother is returning from Spain in a few months, and he's strange enought to watch 40 episodes nonstop. 'course, that runs in the family. which beatle are you - George , Paul or Ringo? I don't believe this echos to where John hangs out. Old, tired, sick Joke: What would it take to reunite the Beatles? ? ? ? ? ? ? Three more bullets. c ya, THRUD =========== From: THRUD To: RUFUS Subject: beam me up Date & Time: 06/12/90 06:11:29 Message Number 5852 "Man was't meant to have his molecules scattered all over the universe!" There was a ST when they had to beam down 100 miles (or 10 or 98000) int a cavern, a Spock specuted on the unpleasentness of beaming into solid rock (facinating) On TNG, they have used filtering devices to eliminate nasty bugs from beaming aboard - like when DR. Pulaski/Roddenberrrrry got the old age blues and when Data was beaming aboard with a disrupter the Chief just filtered out the weapon. I'm sure our techie turtle(tacky turtle?) will bestow his wisdom and knowledge on the subject, and the matter will be laid to rest, and their will be peace in the world. If you changed your name to Rupus, it would be super backwards, albeit spelled incorrectly. A Sunrise Thrud =========== From: DONTHEN To: SPE11WIND Subject: Party??? Date & Time: 06/12/90 09:12:25 Message Number 5853 A lot of furries (= furry fans, but extremely so) seem to do that more or less automatically. I've noticed that I've started responding to startling or confusing questions with catlike noises, and I'm not really doing it consciously. But as for "real" roleplaying, it's an interesting idea. Knowing most furries and their inclination against rules, referees and the like, I'm not sure what you'd end up with. (There was a storyboard on a BBS in California based on a military sf furry story called "Empires," which was run with the "moderator" running things a lot more tightly than any other storyboard I've seen. When RDK was being echoed between a few BBS's out there, it ended up almost collapsing because of the perceived "authoritarian" attitude of this moderator. This story does, of course, change dramatically based on which side you ask and there's also some other personal conflicts under the surface, but it seems that it's very difficult to sustain something furry that isn't also, well, anarchistic. I suspect furry roleplaying at a party would simply end up being the different fans' characters interacting with each other at a party, which (as I said) has been known to happen without any prompting anyway. =========== From: RUFUS To: THRUD Subject: vcr Date & Time: 06/12/90 10:13:20 Message Number 5854 I too have a tale of VCR messing with. I programed the VCR to tape Max Headroom on Friday night and some show on Saturday morning. The VCR taped Max Headroom, but in the middle of the night my dad came out, saw the blinking lights (even though the lights were not blinking) and hit a bunch of buttons. The alleged blinkers ceased their blinking, but the tape also rewound itself, so I was without Max Headroom. After that I carted the VCR off to my room. :) =========== From: RUFUS To: THRUD Subject: beam me up Date & Time: 06/12/90 10:16:51 Message Number 5855 Of course, if I just leave the name as Rufus, it would spell Sufur backwards. People keep pointing out what my name would be like backwards. Sigh.... =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/12/90 18:20:53 Message Number 5856 > If you can't sell the 2 Live Crew album, then what's it doing in the > store? Well, so far, only 4 counties in FL have declared the album obscene, and someplace in Texas ordered the album taken off the shelves today. The only place the album is illegal is where it's declared obscene, so most of FL is still selling it, but I have a feeling more judges are hopping on the bandwaggon. There was a debate over 2 Live Crew on Nightline last night. The guy who is leading the attack feels that 2 Live Crew is obscene and other thigs on the market (Guns & Roses and Andrew Dice Clay were mentioned) are not. Well, they're desprately trying to put a racist angle into it, and I think that's wrong. Unfortunately, the people on Nightline last night kept refuting each others facts and taking potshots at each other, so now I'm more confused than ever... take the law out of the hands of the idiots and get some inteligent people in to debate this. =========== From: BEATLE To: SPE11WIND Subject: Not FemTalk Date & Time: 06/12/90 18:28:14 Message Number 5857 > I hate parents that make their children believe that sex is a bad and > evil thing. Hey, I never said anything about that. =========== From: BEATLE To: THRUD Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/12/90 18:30:12 Message Number 5858 To put your mind at ease: 1) We already have a satellite dish and I know EXACTLY where to find Star Trek. 2) I don't need to quit school and scan channels. I can scan channels and maintain a weighted 4.2 quite fine, thank you very much. 3) I'm not any particular Beatle, just "Beatle". I got the nickname about 4 years back. I do favor Paul though. 4) Another sick joke: Why can't you go to the bathroom at a Beatles reunion? . . . . A: There's no John. =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: vcr Date & Time: 06/12/90 18:35:08 Message Number 5859 > it taped Max Headroom...the tape also rewound itself. I take it you didn't tape ANY other Max episodes (or attempt)? I'm getting REAL annnoyed at the lack of success in finding the four or five episodes I need to finish my collection. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/12/90 18:40:33 Message Number 5860 While we are telling Beatle's jokes. Here's one. What do Yoko Ono and a Lady Bug have in common? They both live off of dead beatles. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: vcr Date & Time: 06/12/90 18:41:35 Message Number 5861 Nope, I didn't think of taping it when it was on. Stupid move on my part. I have about 15 tapes full of stuff I should watch, half of them have no labels on them. Oh well, maybe /this/ summer I'll watch them. =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/12/90 21:59:17 Message Number 5862 Hey, that was a good one. =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: vcr Date & Time: 06/12/90 21:59:51 Message Number 5863 > I didn't think of taping it when it was on. I did the same thing. I didn't think of taping any. I thought they'd last a bit longer. At least I was smart enough to tell my parents not to tape over the ones I had. (Like they'd even notice I had taped anything) Hey, what's on the tapes you have to watch? And if you don't know exactly, do you have a vague idea? =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: book Date & Time: 06/12/90 22:02:29 Message Number 5864 Has anyone here read the book "Who Censored Roger Rabbit?" I looked for it ever since the movie "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" came out. I finally found it right under my nose in the young adult section of the main library last week! I must say I wasn't disappointed. It was a wild book. Not as tame as some might think. Lots of corruption and foul play abound , not to mention that the book takes place in the present, unlike the film (which evidently was LOOSELY based on the book)... I think the furry fen and many of the others of you here on AR would enjoy it. If anyone's read it, let me know what you thought. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: DONTHEN Subject: Party??? Date & Time: 06/12/90 22:54:24 Message Number 5865 S0, the questi0n is, when are y0u ressurecting Ace? =========== From: SPE11WIND To: RUFUS Subject: beam me up Date & Time: 06/12/90 22:56:25 Message Number 5866 sdrawkcaB sudrawcab pr0n0unciati0n 0f backwards backwards. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: BEATLE Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/12/90 22:59:07 Message Number 5867 I wish they'd get rids 0f three's c0mpany. that a1ways was a h0rrib1e sh0w. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: BEATLE Subject: book Date & Time: 06/12/90 23:01:47 Message Number 5868 Hey y'a11, check 0ut the TMNT graphic n0ve1s. =========== From: TREE BEARD To: BEATLE Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/13/90 00:27:34 Message Number 5869 Well, the judges are trying to put the will of the "people" and it's laws. They are actually bordering on a line of Free Speech and obsenity What is obscene? What is not? What about "stroke mags" and "porn", both soft and hard. Vidio stores rent porns, and mini marts sell all types of magazines. Why isn't that considered obscene material? I myself have not heard Two Live Crews Album, but I doubt it could be much more sexually explicit than a porno. Yep, I'm gonna get me some of my judge friends together and drink some beer and burn some a dem der bad books......... Were do we draw the line? (I know, lets amend the constitution and make anything written illigal thats written, sung, painted, or spoken!!) Peritin thoughts are returning and the free thinkers had better keep their eyes open, otherwise we might loose all of our rights! Not that I'm personally fond of cuss filled rap, but I would rather have that then shelves at the record store full of Slim Wittman's albums. Freedom.. use it or loose it! Tree Beard =========== From: TREE BEARD To: BEATLE Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/13/90 00:42:40 Message Number 5870 Ooohhhh ack... Sick but cute. Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: SPE11WIND Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/13/90 00:46:56 Message Number 5871 How 'bout "The Ropers"... thats quality programming if I ever saw it! (Yes, sometimes it can be found if you look for it (with a dish)) Anyway, every watches too much T.V. So it helps when there is nothing on worth watching, it is easier to turn off! Tree My personal favorite has to be Family Feud.. I can't believe it is still on... Rech! ^t =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: vcr Date & Time: 06/13/90 01:33:45 Message Number 5872 Nothing of any relevance. Most likely some movies I'll never watch, some old episode of ST:TNG (maybe, I'm not sure). Gads, I'll get around to watching them one day. =========== From: RUFUS To: TREE BEARD Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/13/90 01:39:41 Message Number 5873 >My personal favorite has to be Family Feud.. Eeeeeek! Please, no! To borrow a line from "Weird Al" Yankovic "I'd rather clean all the tiolets in Grand Central Station with my tongue than spend one more minute with you." ...it's late, and I can't spell toilets, but I do like pizza. =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/13/90 01:54:20 Message Number 5874 >If you can't sell the 2 Live Crew album, then what's it doing in the >store? That's a good question. Until last week, I'd have said that you can't sell them to minors, but there was a record store owner arrested recently for selling it to an undercover porker who /wasn't/ a minor, so I really can't tell you. Isn't it nice that our state's law enforcement machinery is working so very hard to protect us from things which might offend our morals? If they'd show this much enthusiasm toward protecting us from things which might steal our wallets, I'd feel much safer. --An unimpressed Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: TREE BEARD Subject: Before Death Date & Time: 06/13/90 01:59:05 Message Number 5875 >For one reason, the death penalty could be considered a mercy killing. Huh? I missed that one...I suppose some people might find death preferable to, say, life in prison, but I don't really think the individual in question gets to make that choice. In any event, I would tend to think that mercy killing doesn't apply to individuals who don't especially want to be killed. =========== From: TURTLE To: SPE11WIND Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/13/90 02:01:24 Message Number 5876 >I think it's c010r racism and music racism. I don't think race has a whole lot to do with 2 Live Crew's album, frankly. Have you seen it? More than half the song titles include the word "fuck," and the lyrics themselves don't stint much in the profanity and explicit sexuality themselves. If ever there was an album screaming "Hit me! Hit me!" that one is it, and I think it probably would have run into trouble if the people producing it had been white Southern Baptists. While I don't approve of censorship in /any/ form, it's groups like 2 Live Crew who make it very difficult to remember why. =========== From: TURTLE To: SPE11WIND Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/13/90 02:04:58 Message Number 5877 >...is there a third party section in the governor's voting? Ghod only knows. I sure don't...I don't recall seeing any Libertarians running for office, though. =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: beam me up Date & Time: 06/13/90 02:08:10 Message Number 5878 >I'm sure our techy turtle(tacky turtle?) will bestow his wisdom and >knowledge on the subject... ...but he'd really rather not. The whole transporter is kind of a fuzzy can of worms. When you beam down onto a planet, what happens to the air you displace? Easy to forget about, but it's a significant volume of air...think about the shockwave produced by a gunshot, and the volume of displacement there is trivial compared to the volume of, say, a pointy-eared walking computer. What happens if you appear two feet off, or under, the ground? For that matter, when you are in orbit there is a huge relative difference in kinetic energy and potential energy between yourself and the ground (we're talking a few thousand miles per second of kinetic energy and the force of a several-hunderd- mile fall in potential energy, here), yet you don't promptly turn into mush or a glowing ball of plasma when you re-materialize. Then you get into the philosophical implications--what would happen if you could record a transmission and replicate the person transmitted a few dozen times? What if you figure out a way to send someone to a planet without destroying the original copy of that person in the transporter? For that matter, is the person who arrives on the planet the same as the person who entered the transporter? Is his consciousness the same, or do you effectively die when you are transported, and get replaced by a new individual with all your memories and all your personality traits? I don't /even/ want to get into it... =========== From: TURTLE To: SPE11WIND Subject: book Date & Time: 06/13/90 02:17:40 Message Number 5879 >Hey y'a11, check 0ut the TMNT graphic n0vels. But be sure to return them by the due date, or you'll get a fine! =========== From: THRUD To: TURTLE Subject: beam me up Date & Time: 06/13/90 05:33:17 Message Number 5880 Several of these problems have been dealt with - 'member Kirko getting split into good and evil twins ( and that horny dog) Wasn't it at the beginning of ST I when somebody, maybe even some science officer, got turned into a pile of mush by the transporter and Decker took over the Science Board. Anyhow, almost all transporter problems were resolved in the FLY II, when Jeff Goldblums son learned the valuble lesson "If you fuck up, your girlfriend will blow you away with a shotgun, so it's better to stick to transmuting corporate presidents into dogs" Thats entertainment Let's make a effort to keep the conference of a higher philosophical plane - everyone knows that TNG, the Simpsons and ball games are the only things of value on commmercial TV. I saw Suzanne Somers in Playboy 15 years ago - and even then she needed some underwire support. Mets 19 Cubs 8 Now THAT'S entertainment A Thrud beholding the crack of Dawn (Shh, don't wanna wake her up yet) =========== From: THRUD To: BEATLE Subject: weighted 4.2 Date & Time: 06/13/90 05:48:05 Message Number 5881 Jeez, I can only manage a 3.9, 'course, I waste a lot of my time paying for a truck, and Olds, a house, a wife and 1 and 2/3 rug rats. I guess that means I have a weighted 3.9, since I have a ball and chain around my neck. The real reason I post at 5:30 is that this is the only time I get some peace and quiet. Wait til the day your daughter is giggling on the phone for three hours, and then 5 minutes after you log in starts with "Daaaaad, are you STILL on the phone" She thinks she's getting a new phone for her BDay - in reality, I'M getting a new phone in my den for her birthday, and she can have the old one. This concludes my grumbling for the day. An awakening THRUD . What yellow and ugly and sleeps alone? =========== From: THRUD To: RUFUS Subject: sufur Date & Time: 06/13/90 05:57:06 Message Number 5882 I know what you mean - sometimes, to be cute, my daughter calls me 'dad' instead of 'dad' - and you wouldn't believe what she calls her mon. Ah well, Able was I ere I saw Elba. Durth (ok ok, that's not quite backwards, but it has a better effect) =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TREE BEARD Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/13/90 06:32:29 Message Number 5883 If they're g0ing t0 ban tw0 1ive crew because 0f pr0fanity, what c0mes next? Wi11 we be watching G m0vies and wi11 they dictate what is 'safe' f0r us t0 read and 1isten t0? WHAT'S THE FAV0RITE SH0W IN THE WH01E WIDE W0R1D??? THE RUNNING MAN!!! =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TREE BEARD Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/13/90 06:36:34 Message Number 5884 I 0n1y watch a Max 0f 4 h0urs 0f TV a day (1ess when n0t a wrest1ing night), s0 I want the sh0ws I watch t0 be w0rth watching. Anyb0dy watch the R0dney Dangerfie1d sh0w? H0w many rec0gnized Punky Brewster??? =========== From: SPE11WIND To: TURTLE Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/13/90 06:40:57 Message Number 5885 Megadeth. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/13/90 14:23:34 Message Number 5887 Turtle writes: Isn't it nice that our state's law enforcement machinery is working so very hard to protect us from things which might offend our morals? If they'd show this much enthusiasm toward protecting us from things which might steal our wallets, I'd feel much safer. --An unimpressed Turtle But don't you see? 2 Live Crew's music makes people want to steal wallets, so by stopping the sale of the music, you stop the cause of these people becoming thieves. =========== From: BEATLE To: TREE BEARD Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/13/90 18:24:19 Message Number 5888 Hey, "Family Feud" is a pretty interesting game show! Anyway, I didn't know you could find the "Ropers" with a dish (not that I'd want to!) but you could just go down to Channel 40 and ask, and they'd probably show you their tapes of the show... =========== From: BEATLE To: THRUD Subject: weighted 4.2 Date & Time: 06/13/90 18:30:40 Message Number 5889 > "DAAAAAAD! Are you still on the phone?" Hey, I already get that from my sister! (sans the DAAAAAD part).... .s oops... =========== From: BEATLE To: SPE11WIND Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/13/90 18:32:23 Message Number 5890 > How many recognized Punky Brewster? I did! (Like that's something special?) It wasn't too hard. Did you see that unsold pilot she did about a year back? Anyway, you'll also notice that the brother and sister in that show were also both in the film "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids", but they were in different families there... =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: Star Trek Date & Time: 06/13/90 18:35:22 Message Number 5891 If you are coming to the Star Trek series at Litchfield Cinemas this Saturday (the 16th) at 10AM, then do the following: 1) Send me mail and inform me you will be there. I want to take a count 2) Be at the theatre BY 9:45!! I need to collect money and get tickets. 3) Bring $1.50 for admission. We will not pay for you if you forget the money. Bring money for food and drink if you want any. We will meet to the LEFT of the theatre entrance. I will be there wearing a red/white striped shirt and a Star Trek button. Live long and prosper. =========== From: SPE11WIND To: BEATLE Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/13/90 22:29:11 Message Number 5892 HEY!!! I heard that they (44) were dr0pping ST AND ST:TNG!!!!!!! They're supp0sed1y being rep1aced py the 1/2 hr. sitc0ms that I hate s0 much! =========== From: TURTLE To: THRUD Subject: beam me up Date & Time: 06/13/90 23:23:59 Message Number 5893 >...everyone knows that TNG, the Simpsonms and ball games are the only >things worth watching on commercial TV. TNG, yes; the Simpsons, yes; ball games, no. Nothing is more tedious than watching overdeveloped Neanderthals grunt, sweat, pick, spit, and bash each other for two hours. For some mysterious reason, I noticed that your list is missing "Married...With Children;" just an oversight on your part, I assume. =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/13/90 23:28:16 Message Number 5894 Well, if 2 Live Crew's music is responsible for people turning to a life of crime, then by all means ban it! ...I wonder what sort of music turns people into Yuppies. =========== From: BEATLE To: SPE11WIND Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/14/90 00:34:00 Message Number 5895 > I heard that they were dropping ST AND ST:TNG!!!!!!! I doubt that... where did you hear that? =========== From: TREE BEARD To: RUFUS Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/14/90 00:42:59 Message Number 5896 Cold anchovy pizza with extra cheese! Just kidden about "Family Feud"... terrible show, but with all that kissing, I just had to watch! Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: TURTLE Subject: Before Death Date & Time: 06/14/90 00:46:43 Message Number 5897 >I suppose people might find death preferable to, say, life in prison... My point exactly. >...but I don't really think the individual in question get to matke that choice. Thats right. They gave up that choice when they committed first degree murder. That is usually the way criminal get the death penalty. People in prison give up almost all of their rights... as well it should be. Prison is no country club, but if certain elements had it their way it would be. There is a knew idea that is being implemented that would save the taxpayers a lot of money (I don't know the exact figures) Its called Boot Camp. It is for first time offenders, and it is just like the army version. They say the repeat offences are down to 25% with this program. In ten years who knows? But it works now! Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: TURTLE Subject: beam me up Date & Time: 06/14/90 00:55:52 Message Number 5898 With the air displacement problem, all that would have to happen is the person would replace the air, and the air would materialize on the ship. Or better yet it would be put into outer space. The vaccum would probably take care of it (Near Vaccum). Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: SPE11WIND Subject: rap music Date & Time: 06/14/90 01:00:46 Message Number 5899 Im an painter, and I can't agree with you more. I still enjoy "Dr. Who","Saturday Night Live", and "Late Night" but i'm just wierd! Tree =========== From: TREE BEARD To: SPE11WIND Subject: reruns Date & Time: 06/14/90 01:04:21 Message Number 5900 Punky Brewster... recht. I can't stand cute kids! The only reason I like Bart Simpson is that he is not a cute kid! 4 HOURS? Wow, if I had 28 hours in a day, I still would not watch 4 hours of T.V. Thats 870,000 hours of tv in your lifetime! WOW! Tree ===========