From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Workshops Date & Time: 02/25/91 00:24:46 Message Number 12711 >Posting on this BBS is good therapy, too. Oh, Lordy...does that mean I'm liable for malpractice suits now? =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: curious Date & Time: 02/25/91 00:28:30 Message Number 12712 RufusCon '91 will be announced well in advance everywhere...BBS's,m word of mouth, posters, you name it. I can't guarantee a live band for RufusCon '91; the one that showed up at RufusCon '90 was totally unexpected. (They just turned up, and I for one didn't know any of 'em from anywhere. A knock on the door, a bunch of people standing on the doorstep with large amplifiers, and the rest is history.) It's open to any sentient being that wants to wander by. RufusCon '91 likely won't take place until at least mid-summer, though... Suncoast City Joint Monthly Indoor Picnicks are usually posted a week in advance on this system; they generally happen about the first Saturday of the month. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: fish Date & Time: 02/25/91 00:33:06 Message Number 12713 I /hate/ when my bass gets stuck on an alligator...ruins the strings, and the pickups are a pain to replace when they've got seaweed stuck in 'em. Plus it ruins the finish, ya know? =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: "Slapped" Date & Time: 02/25/91 00:34:05 Message Number 12714 >But have you found that as you grow older, your "gut feelings" >grow wiser? Of course. Experience, doncha know. At that point they are no longer strictly intuitive and strictly non-rational, though. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Role models Date & Time: 02/25/91 00:35:58 Message Number 12715 Bad role models abound; I7d say that has little to do with the family a person comes from. Sure, a person raised in a close-knit family may be a little more discriminating, but not necessarily. A loving family is no guarantee of a healthy adult, and a "dysfunctional" (what a staggeringly meaningless word) family does not always produce "dysfunctional" adults. Insecurity comes from many places and in many forms, and I'm hard put to think of any single bigger factor in a troubled relationship. =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Lizards & You Date & Time: 02/25/91 00:40:54 Message Number 12716 Lizard Logic, huh? Well, I'll be damned. I just had a lengthy conver- sation with a friend of mine, in whic I put forth the idea that a large number of people's problems relationship-wise stem from letting the lizard brain handle the situation--the limbic system approach to interpersonal management, if you will. And now I find out that not only is it not an original idea, someone's gone and written a BOOK about it. Well, there go my royalties... =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: What does it Date & Time: 02/25/91 00:44:06 Message Number 12717 > A sick JonBoy > (at least Wratt sez so) Not that he's one to talk. Anyone who doesn't like Mountain Dew...but I digress. Speaking of which, you up for rebuilding Lori's carb (and looking at her fuel pump) next Saturday? =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Plastic people Date & Time: 02/25/91 00:47:52 Message Number 12718 You forgot erotic love, which was one of the four Greek classifications. Personally, I always found the Greek system stiflingly arbitrary and somewhat incomplete. It makes no provision, for example, for love for one's self, which is a very different animal from the ones you named, and it doesn't really distinguish between different types of "love from afar" (love of all mankind is a very different animal from love for one's flag or love of one's personal diety). I tend toward the view that there are at least as many different types of love as there are people. =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Aardvarkians!! Date & Time: 02/25/91 00:51:42 Message Number 12719 >Errr I'm trying to flush them out! Honest! Very well...you may once again partake of th Sacred Dew. Just don't let it happen again. (Actually, the tome hasn't been written yet, but Rufus and I are nominally working on it. An excerpt, on the expression "May the Aardvark of Happiness lick your toes": Just as the toe leads the foot, and the foot propels the body down life's path, so does the Sacred Aardvark lead us all on the Shining Path. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Plastic people Date & Time: 02/25/91 00:54:37 Message Number 12720 >Nothing makes ya feel better than a hug. With the possible exception of a Mountain Dew, an inside strait in a four-hundred-dollar pot, or any letter beginning "Dear Sweepstakes Winner". (c) 1991 Anarchy Now, Inc. Any individual or group taking this message seriously deserves to. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Loving people Date & Time: 02/25/91 00:56:25 Message Number 12721 >Ah, but what word described the guy that's in love with himself.... >Besides a "jerk", that is? Cut that out. Without some amount of self-love love of others is rather difficult, doncha think? I've met people who genuinely have no self-love. It's a miserable state of affairs. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Clarity Date & Time: 02/25/91 01:01:11 Message Number 12722 All of a sudden, it hit me how to put my objections to the war thing more succintly and directly than I managed to do before. I am not against the war because I don't think we should be fighting against Hussein; I oppose the war because I don't think we should be fighting /for/ a bloody goddamn bastard like the Emir. Clear? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: welcome Date & Time: 02/25/91 01:11:30 Message Number 12723 TS> I wouldn't include you in with us anyway. You mean I can't, like, hang around with you guys anymore? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Homos in the WP Date & Time: 02/25/91 01:18:16 Message Number 12724 TS> Fags in the workplace...I swear to God if it were in my power I TS> I would have (beat him with a single weapon) Yeah, well, you could have whipped him had-to-hand. I wanted to beat to hell out of him, but I had to ignore him. He wasn't worth my old $9/hr paying job. But it would have been fun. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Scandalized Date & Time: 02/25/91 01:21:25 Message Number 12725 SA> Hy, JB, I'm arried, I'm not dead. U still know hos to bat my eyelashes.... Gaaaawddd, aren't we just the flirt? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: The way to Eden Date & Time: 02/25/91 01:23:04 Message Number 12726 Sounds vaguely familiar, perhaps I /did/ see it. But if I can't remember it, obviously to wasn't worth remembering. (if you recall we were talking about the shows we didn't like.) =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Amen Date & Time: 02/25/91 01:24:55 Message Number 12727 SS> Where do you know Barbara Dare from? (perverted smile) SA> no comment....(batting eyelashes again) Chicken-shit, what, are we afraid to fess up? Just for clarification, I'm not dropping this string until you do confess. (shinig bright light of intergation on your conscience.) hehehe :) A sometimes stuborn, Scott Steel =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: JONBOY Subject: Slammed Date & Time: 02/25/91 01:35:24 Message Number 12728 That was not the situation, we were in friends. He knew that he probably would offended. And yes he /was/ being serious, he was hitting on a couple of other guys as well. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: JONBOY Subject: Plastic people Date & Time: 02/25/91 01:37:47 Message Number 12729 I didn't live with walls around my heart. I hug a lot of my friends, I am a very affectionate person. I feel most comfortable with a girl snuggled right up next to me. And I didn't have any hang ups about hugging guys. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TURTLE Subject: Date & Time: 02/25/91 01:45:58 Message Number 12730 Just for the record, I skipped over all that /junk/ and I mean /junk/. Can't you two let this debate die? You can't change the situation in the Gulf, and everybody knows you aren't going to change each others mind either. =========== From: KNIGHT OWL To: JONBOY Subject: A.C.O.A. Date & Time: 02/25/91 11:00:55 Message Number 12732 Yes, I'm familiar with A.C.O.A.. I attend when I can (work schedule chenges from week to week), and it has helped. KO>Coming from a dysfunctional family can be a source of strength. JB> Coming from a dysfunctional family is a life-crippling event and should be treated as such. You may not even aware of all the mental damage that you have sustained. The reason that I made the statement about strength is because of many reasons. I got my strength from my mother who is very strong emotionally despite the 17 years of horror that she lived. My sister has also been very strong. 1a) If you have a network of people around you that can help you during the bad times, you're very fortunate 2)Despite the gravity of the subject, a sense of humor helps greatly. 3)The possibility ALWAYS exists that the alcoholic will get help. I left when I was 17, and my father quit 4 years later. I often feel that I should have stayed at home. As for the emotional damage, yes I'm aware of it, and I'm seeking help for it. SEE YA! Knight Owl =========== From: KNIGHT OWL To: TURTLE Subject: Workshops Date & Time: 02/25/91 11:40:40 Message Number 12733 S> Posting on this BBS is good therapy, too. T> Oh lordy...dpoes that mean that I'm liable for malpractice? No, you covered your *ss rather well with the log-off sattement about all of this being fiction or coincidence. SEE YA! Knight Owl =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Workshops Date & Time: 02/25/91 13:53:55 Message Number 12734 T>Does that mean I'm liable for malpractice suits now? Hmmmmm, Dr. Turtle....., I think you're safe. =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: curious Date & Time: 02/25/91 13:55:34 Message Number 12735 Thanks for the info. Maybe I can round up a band for Rufuscom 91. I know alot of musicians.... =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: fish Date & Time: 02/25/91 13:56:49 Message Number 12736 Hmmm, seaweed on a bass. I guess you'd better get a sea bass either that or quit playing those surfin' songs. How long have you been playing the bass? Have you played with any local bands??? ----A curious Saavik =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: "Slapped" Date & Time: 02/25/91 13:59:02 Message Number 12737 T>At that point they (gut feelings) are no longer strictly intuitive and strictly non-rational, though. . Please elaborate. What do you mean by non-rational. I find as I get older, my judgement becomes more rational. I think in terms of the big picture. Consequences and all that stuff. =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Big factor Date & Time: 02/25/91 14:01:11 Message Number 12738 In my opinion, one of the biggest factors in troubled relationships is selfishness. If a person can't see beyond his or her own needs... the relationship is doomed. =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Aardvarkians!! Date & Time: 02/25/91 14:03:36 Message Number 12739 And what's the Greek word for loving the Aardvark? Aardvarderotica???? =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Plastic people Date & Time: 02/25/91 14:05:03 Message Number 12740 You forgot that exhilerating moment when you open the Visa Statement and it says...."You're credit line has been extended to......" Shop til you drop......CHARGE IT!!!!!!  =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Loving people Date & Time: 02/25/91 14:06:32 Message Number 12741 oK, cutting it out. You're right, of course (a very annoying trend of yours). But I was talking about the normal love "The greatest love of all...." I was talking about obsessive self love "You're so vain". Can you tell I relate to songs? =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: The way to Eden Date & Time: 02/25/91 14:11:16 Message Number 12743 You are a forgiven Trekkie for not remembered that show. It was the Pitts!!!! =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Give God agin Date & Time: 02/25/91 19:16:47 Message Number 12747 I don't know about you, but I don't want people burying toxic wastes outside *my* town somewhere, so I wouldn't do it to any other town. Also, cutting down rainforests hurts everybody. The examples you cited can also be applied to the Golden Rule (I don't know why I caplitalized that), that is, I wouldn't do those things (to people) and I wouldn't want them done to me. Just because it says for the individual doesn't mean it can't cover plural. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Give God agin Date & Time: 02/25/91 19:19:40 Message Number 12748 On a related suject to my last message, I would also like to state that I wonder if you reject the Golden Rule simply because of it's origin; ie because it came from the Bible and you consider half the adivice (SP advice) and other things in the Bible to be pure bunk> =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: Plastic people Date & Time: 02/25/91 19:24:15 Message Number 12749 JB>My personal campain is to hug anyone that is dear to me and F*ck JB>anyone who feels it isn't manly. F*ck them? Now who is a repressed homo? (Chuckle...guffaw SNORT!) But seriously, JB...I hope that I never become that good of a friend of yours. A hug would end that fast...and might put me in the hospital. (After my beserk) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: Book Date & Time: 02/25/91 19:28:07 Message Number 12750 JB> Book: Dinosaur Brains... Oh, cool! Can I borrow it? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: welcome Date & Time: 02/25/91 19:29:13 Message Number 12751 JB>C'mon Dave - quit being so damned snotty. We can disagree and call JB>each other jerks but still remain gentlemen - Ok? Or the equivalent. Yes, sir, fine with me. I've just been arguing with Turtle & Max too long, I guess. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: Theragram Date & Time: 02/25/91 19:30:53 Message Number 12752 S>Posting on this BBS is good therapy, too. JB> I dunno, - I have visions of TS taking a bayonet to his personal JB>"Gay Bob" [ROFLOL] doll after he logs off here. I may cause a lot JB>of stress for some people. Y'know, it's funny you mention that--I used to have a girlfriend that I took out my anger on (sadly, yes, I actually *am* an asshole) when I got too pissed off on the boards. She used to try to keep me off of them...said they caused "strife". (She was religious - er, excuse me, she had "A good relationship with her Lord." Sheesh! She explained the difference but it sounds the same to me. Gimme a break...) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SAAVIK Subject: Workshops Date & Time: 02/25/91 19:38:27 Message Number 12753 S>After reading about the "Gay Bob" doll, I'm sure he's laughing too S>hard to find his bayonet. ROFLOL - Roling On Floor Lauging Out Loud... =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: What does it Date & Time: 02/25/91 19:57:07 Message Number 12755 T>...you up for rebuilding Lori's carb (and looking at her fuel pump)... And maybe adding some more horsepower to that machine? Need some help? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: welcome Date & Time: 02/25/91 19:59:54 Message Number 12756 TS>I wouldn't include you in with us anyway. SS>you mean I can't, like, hand around with you guys anymore? Only if you take the sacred vow of Fag Bashing. Right, Tiberius? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Homos in the WP Date & Time: 02/25/91 20:01:39 Message Number 12757 TS>I would have (beat daylights out of him) SS>YOu could have whipped him hand-to-hand. Probably, but who wants to touch one? SS>He wasn't worth my $9 hr job. What? Yes, it was. Who wants to work in the same place with a fag? SS>But it would have been fun. It would have been appropriate. Just. DESERVED. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Slammed Date & Time: 02/25/91 20:05:06 Message Number 12758 JB>he might have been joking... SS>...he /was/ being serious, he was hitting on a couple of other guys SS>as well. "Shrink, I wanna kill. Kill! KILL KILL KILL!" -Arlo Guthrie =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Plastic people Date & Time: 02/25/91 20:06:48 Message Number 12759 SS> And I didn't have any hang ups about hugging guys. Scott, stop it. You don't need to overstate a matter to defend yourself against his conniving attacks. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SAAVIK Subject: Loving people Date & Time: 02/25/91 20:10:21 Message Number 12761 S> [to Turtle] Ok, cutting it out. You're right, of course (a very S>annoying trend of yours.) Ah, yes, you noticed that, eh? Except I'd call it a HABIT. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SAAVIK Subject: Barbara Dare Date & Time: 02/25/91 20:11:57 Message Number 12762 S>I confess, I ... [Look of shocked suprise!] [Changes to malicious grin...] =========== From: JONBOY To: SAAVIK Subject: Plastic people Date & Time: 02/25/91 20:25:33 Message Number 12763 >SA Gotten me in trouble more than once... Yeah - ain't it terrible when ya try to be warm and they interpret it as "hot ta go"? =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Carbs Date & Time: 02/25/91 20:33:20 Message Number 12764 Sure we can do that - remind me a day or so in advance to make sure that I remember to get some cleaner and small brushes. Ask her if she can show up early (like noon-ish) so that if any more disasters strike we have olenty of time to deal with them. It might even be nice to swipe her book a day in advance so that I can make sure that if anything special is required - I can get it. I was also meaning to call and see if I could loacate even a junker distributer so we maybe could replace that worn breaker plate. What year and model is her Soo-ba-roo? =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Plastic people Date & Time: 02/25/91 20:37:30 Message Number 12765 The point was that they didn't try and make one word do the work of many with the corresponding confusion about what exactly the point was (is). The greeks usually were pretty arbitrary about a lot of ideas and concepts and annoyingly precise about those things they knew the least about. =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Plastic people Date & Time: 02/25/91 20:40:40 Message Number 12766 T> any letter beginning with "Dear Sweepstakes Winner" Hey I get personal ones of those all the time and from good ol' Ed hisself. Never made me feel real warm tho... I must be inured to those sorts of "life's better moments". JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Plastic people Date & Time: 02/25/91 20:50:01 Message Number 12767 TS> A hug might end that fast -- Gee Dave - you sure are touchy. Thing about how little a value you just put on a friendship. (note that I overlooked the repressed joke - mmmmphhhh (supressed grin)) JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Book Date & Time: 02/25/91 20:51:34 Message Number 12768 TS> Can I borrow it? Sure - long as I get it back. Lemme know when - maybe I could give it to Turtle this weekend and you could get it then. =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: carbs Date & Time: 02/25/91 21:29:39 Message Number 12769 T>...you up for rebuilding Lori's carb (and looking at her fuel pump)... TS> And maybe adding some more horsepower to that machine? I think she'll be just as happy if ity runs smooth - the distributor was a big help - now on to the most likely cause of a sick car. TS> Need some help? Ummmm I would really prefer that it not become a group grope. Too many small parts y'unnerstand not to mention me and turtle tend to cramp what little space there is under the hood. Thanks for the offer tho... We should be able to wreck uhhhh repair (yeah - that's it!) her carb ok. Master Mechanical JonBoy =========== From: GROUCHO To: ALL Subject: Killer Instinct Date & Time: 02/25/91 21:57:50 Message Number 12770 Being new to this BBS, I just thought I'd drop a little note here to let y'all know I'm here. After having read the messages on the board, I find a large number of "enlightened" individuals. Having had my horizons expanded for a considerable number of years, I may have something of interest to add to the ongoing topics of conversation. I think the "homophobe" or whoever he is is entertaining. I wonder if this guy advocates personal freedom of choice or would take away the rights of others to suit his own preferences. I further wonder what sort of upbringing and environmental stimuli would produce such an outspoken individual. To Saavik: I like your messages (I'll bet you have "smiling eyes"). To Turtle: Glad to be aboard and I appreciate the time and $$ you spend to provide this service. This does not mean that I will agree with all your views. To all others: Pick a topic, any topic, I have a "collective" opinion on just about anything. If I can't formulate one, the topic is probably beneath me. Groucho =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:02:20 Message Number 12771 >Just for the record, I skipped over all that /junk/ and I mean /junk/. If you didn't read it, you have no right to respond to it...or even to call it "junk." =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Workshops Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:03:40 Message Number 12772 >Hmmmmmm, Dr. Turtle....., I think you're safe. You /think/? You THINK?? How's that gonna help me in the courtroom??? Aaaiiiggghhh! =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: fish Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:04:40 Message Number 12773 Actually, I don't play the bass...I was simply making a play on words, doncha know. :( There was talk earlier about starting a band with some of the users here (I do play drums, or at least did), but it seems to have stalled. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: "Slapped" Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:05:43 Message Number 12774 Non-rational means just that. I was making the observation that rationality is generally a good way to approach a relationship, and you said that since you don't always know what's going on in the other person's head you sometimes have to rely on intuition instead. But if your intuition improves with experience, obviously intuition is not non-rational... =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Aardvarkians!! Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:07:28 Message Number 12775 >And what's the Greek word for loving the Aardvark? >Aardvarderotica? The Greeks, for all their wisdom in other matters, were sadly un- enlightened about the Shining Path. Unfortunately, there is no Greek word for love of the Aardvark. But they do make a mean sandwich, so that's gotta count for something. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Plastic money Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:09:02 Message Number 12776 >CHARGE IT!!!!!! I don't do credit cards. If I can't afford it now, I can't afford it. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Loving people Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:09:47 Message Number 12777 >Can you tell I relate to songs? Beats relating to Post-It fish, I suppose. ...so what's so annoying about being right?? =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Barbara Dare Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:10:46 Message Number 12778 >...I RENT porno flicks. The plots are so intelligent... On a side note, I have heard (apocryphally) that there are intelligent, well-produced porno flicks out there, but I've never seen one or talked first-hand to anyone who has. >I also read Hustler because the articles are so informing. Err...in a manner of speaking, I suppose you could call 'em that. Me, if I want article content I read Playboy. No shit. The last copy I bought, I read cover to cover and when I was done realized I hadn't stopped to look at the pictures. Sad...really, really sad. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Give God agin Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:13:41 Message Number 12779 Yes, those things can be applied to the golden rule, but not directly; you can logically argue that any action not directly related to other people is not covered by that rule. Also, the G.R. has /nothing/ to say about any action which does not relate directly or incidentally to the way you interact with others, where the Wiccan version does. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Give God agin Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:15:06 Message Number 12780 I don't reject the Golden Rule; I think it's good advice for governing interactions between people. I just don't think it's sufficient. I don't reject anything in the Bible just because it's from the Bible; in fact, most of the Ten Commandments are pretty good guidelines, too. The Bible is somewhat useful as a history text, if you treat it as folk histor and not as gospel truth (sorry 'bout the pun); it's got some merit as a work of social morality; I just happen to think its description of the way the universe works is bunk. Burning bushes... I don't think so. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:19:07 Message Number 12781 My point was not that I believe the Kuwaitis should live under a democracy, or that they should adopt our Constitution, or what-have- you. My point was that I cannot with clear conscience fight a war to support a government that murders its own people. I believe that that sort of behavior is morally wrong, period. I am surprised and disturbed by your claim that the Emir is legitimate because he hasn't been tossed out of power yet; does that mean you support any government, no matter how brutal, that has managed to cling to power for X amount of time? What I would like to see in Kuwait is not an American government, or an Iraqui government, but a government set up by the Kuwaitis--ALL of the Kuwaitis. The way Kuwait is structured now, women have no say (and in fact under certain circumstances can be BOUGHT and SOLD, for god's sake!); non-Kuwaitis have no say, even if they've lived there all their life, even if they've become Kuwaiti nationals; and people without a certain economic status have no say. If ALL of these people were to have some voice in setting up their government, and I mean some voice other than "Well, they haven't assassinated the Emir yet," THEN I would call that a "legitimate" government. To answer your other question: I am still somewhat skeptical about the US having any business in the Gulf to begin with, but were we not fighting under the auspices of a known dictator I would feel much better about supporting the war effort. Yes, were we not fighting to restore a society where women are property and the secret police are not answerable to any outside legal agency for any of their actions, I would most likely approve of the war. I simply cannot approve of anything that supports and encourages these sort of things, because I find them morally repugnant. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: What does it Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:26:53 Message Number 12782 >And maybe adding some more horsepower to that machine? Right now I'd be happy if it didn't stumble under hard acceleration and didn't misfire at high speed. The horsepower is secondary...after all, it IS a Subaru station wagon! >Need some help? I dunno...what are you doing Saturday morning? Wratt will probably be down from Tampa; the more the merrier. (You may have second thoughts when you see the carb, though...) =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Carbs Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:30:01 Message Number 12783 Well, swiping Lori a day in advance is probably out of the question, since she has class until late and I work until 10:30. Noonish on Saturday sounds good to me (although I bet she gripes about getting up that early...we're both noctournal, doncha know). The car in question is an '86 Subaru GL (non-turbo, non-4WD version, 1800CC engine, station wagon). ...say, you know anything about automatic trannies? Hers is starting to slip between second and third... =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: carbs Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:33:09 Message Number 12784 Well, hell. Here I go and say "Sure, c'mon over," and you nix it. *sigh* Well, I guess you do got a point 'bout space under the hood, but I'll leave it up to you and T.S. to hash out. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Barbara Dare Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:55:10 Message Number 12788 SA> Saavik is NOT a chicken shit!!!!!! I confess, I RENT porno flicks... ....Ok, I'm apervert?? God, you just wreck my perfect image of you. :) Please remove that curse, pretty please. A very perverted, Scott Steel P.S. How do you think /I/ knew about Barbara Dare. Personally my fav is Ginger Lynn. I don't what do you care? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Plastic people Date & Time: 02/26/91 00:59:52 Message Number 12789 Hugs, yes I know, a firm hand shake and maybe a hand on the shoulder what constitute a hug to you. But not to a lot of people. In that way, you are very closed-off. I hope you get an affectionate girlfriend that can break you of that. But, I kind of doubt it. (Breaking you of that, not getting a girlfriend I wouldn't stoop that low) =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Theragram Date & Time: 02/26/91 01:03:37 Message Number 12790 TS> Gimme a break... Okay, hold out your neck. (Stole joke from the Specialist) So he gets the credit for that joke.) =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: welcome Date & Time: 02/26/91 01:06:17 Message Number 12791 TS> ...sacred vow of Fag Bashing. What is this vow you speak of? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: JONBOY Subject: carbs Date & Time: 02/26/91 01:10:08 Message Number 12792 Hey, I have a sick '78 Chevette. Won't start, won't run. Want to take a look? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TURTLE Subject: Date & Time: 02/26/91 01:12:09 Message Number 12793 T> If you didn't read it, you have no right to respond to it..or even to T> call it "junk." Well, I read about the first five lines, realized you where saying something close to nothing, therefore I called it junk. You were just reiterating your position, again. Which you and the Specialist like to do for some reason. Over and over and ver again. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TURTLE Subject: Barbara Dare Date & Time: 02/26/91 01:16:39 Message Number 12794 T> ...I read Playboy. The last copy I bought, l read cover to cover and T> when I was done realized I hadn't stopped to look at the pictures. T> Sad...really, really sad. I'd say so. Are is your hormones working right? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TURTLE Subject: Date & Time: 02/26/91 01:19:13 Message Number 12795 Like I said, over and over and over again. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: TURTLE Subject: carbs Date & Time: 02/26/91 01:20:54 Message Number 12796 T> I'll leave it up to you and T.S. to hash it out. Yeah, I'll tag along too. I usually supply the sometimes needed brute force for the Specialist. Helped change out the engine in his Dodge, you know. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: E-mail Date & Time: 02/26/91 01:25:26 Message Number 12797 Hey, I left you some E-mail and you didn't read it. =========== From: KNIGHT OWL To: SAAVIK Subject: A.C.O.A. Date & Time: 02/26/91 02:09:35 Message Number 12798 No problem on Terrran Trace. It was a good start though. What would you think of an ACOA area there. Lemme know, and I'll ask Random about it. >I too had a strong mother & 2 sisters. Are you the youngest of the family? I am. I know what you mean by ruined holidays. I can't remember the last decent holiday meal in our house. My father too, was a WWII vet. When he was laid to rest, we enclosed a 48-star flag (6'x4', It was BIG!) in place of the 50-star banner. I'm not sure why though. The war brings some aches to me also, but I handle it well. My father was also very talented in his profession, but due to the alco- hol, he was forced to retire at age 50. As for the blame, I place it upon myself. Bad childhood health didn't help matters. -- An A.C.0.A Knight Owl =========== From: TIBERIUS To: SAAVIK Subject: How not to Date & Time: 02/26/91 10:11:50 Message Number 12800 >Don't get "slapped" for staring........ That's one thing I don't have to worry about. I am the master of the "Furtive glance". If that doesn't work, I'll wear my mirror sunglasses. =========== From: SAAVIK To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Amen Date & Time: 02/26/91 12:19:58 Message Number 12801 Blonde hair and kinda short??? I remember he had big muscles and a dark tan and a deep voice. I can't remember his name. Yeah, his hair was blonde. He kinda reminded me of Arnold Swartzen...(however you spell his name. I haven't seen him in a several years. =========== From: SAAVIK To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Aardvarkians!! Date & Time: 02/26/91 12:28:34 Message Number 12802 TS>Aarvarkagape. . Thank you. I will store that information away in the vastly unused portion of my brain cells. I am certain that it will, one day, save my life..... or that of an Aardvark. =========== From: SAAVIK To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Right! Date & Time: 02/26/91 12:30:41 Message Number 12803 Yes, Turtle is ALWAYS right. It IS his board, He DOES have his finger poised above the delete user list Y/N. No, no. Just kidding. Turtle is consistantly correct. I I'd love to catch him JUST ONCE. "DING!" =========== From: SAAVIK To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Barbara Dare Date & Time: 02/26/91 12:33:57 Message Number 12804 Why shocked? Why surprised? Surely you don't watch porno flicks ALONE do you????? Heh Heh....(sly grin) =========== From: SAAVIK To: JONBOY Subject: Plastic people Date & Time: 02/26/91 12:35:27 Message Number 12805 JB>Ain't it terrible when ya try to be warm and they interpret it as hot to go? . It's embarrassing. It's made me hesitate to be myself around people I don't know. =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Workshops Date & Time: 02/26/91 12:43:07 Message Number 12807 How's that gonna help you in the courtroom? How are they going to get you there? Supeona(sp?) to Turtle. Location: Alter Reality. Nah, don't think it would happen...., =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Bass Date & Time: 02/26/91 12:44:46 Message Number 12808 T>Actually, I don't play the bass..... I do play drums..... . Well, you played the bass drum, didn't ya???? Why stalled? Styx broke?? I used to play the drums, too. Nothing fancy but I can keep a beat. =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: "Slapped" Date & Time: 02/26/91 12:47:34 Message Number 12809 Yes, I understand now. I have been out of the "dating game" for quite a while but I see some of my friends struggling out there in the dark. Most of them tend to plunge headlong into relationships without a second thought. Maybe they should call this board, eh? Get educated. "Calling Dr. Turtle-------The LOVE Broker." =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Aardvarkians!! Date & Time: 02/26/91 12:50:15 Message Number 12810 T>They (Aardvarks) do make a mean sandwich... . Did you see Steel Magnolias? You just have to see the Grooms Cake in the movie. It was shaped like an Armadillo. Grey icing and blood red cake. Too funny to be gross. =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Plastic money Date & Time: 02/26/91 12:52:04 Message Number 12811 T>I don't do credit cards....... Oh, you sensible, responcible person, you. I, too, have seen the light. Credit cards are the root of all evil......... =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Loving people Date & Time: 02/26/91 12:53:33 Message Number 12812 T>...so what's so annoying about being right?? . Nothing if I'm the one who's right!!!!!!! (sigh), a rare event in here. =========== From: SAAVIK To: TURTLE Subject: Barbara Dare Date & Time: 02/26/91 12:54:45 Message Number 12813 Well produced porno flicks..... Yes, they are making them better. Anothe thing they are doing, is reprinting the assnine old ones with new covers especially when one of the actors or actresses have gotten "big" since. As far as Hustler goes, the content is raunch. You are right (grrrr, there you go again) about Playboy. The articles adress a wide variety of subjects, least of all.....sex. Sad? Hey, if someone buys the mag for the pictures and ends up reading the articles (provided that they CAN read), then all the better, eh? =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Scandalized Date & Time: 02/26/91 13:00:30 Message Number 12814 Why is it different if men do it(flirting)? I was being sarcastic when I said that I supposed it was different. That's why I said "Awk, double standards! The only difference I can come up with is that when men flirt it's up to them to take it the step further. When a woman flirts, some one might misinterpret(sp?) it and make a move on her. I only flirt with people I know......, or, as on the boards, it'd be kind of hard to put the move on me.... I can always log off if I didn't like it. Does this make sense?? =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Barbara Dare Date & Time: 02/26/91 13:05:01 Message Number 12815 What does "I don't what do you care?" mean??? I like Barbara Dare's new films. I like Ron Jeremy....., Cassie Nova is ok.. Not "up" on all the names, but I know the anatomy, (heh, heh) and the faces. I hereby remove the curse from you, Scott......you pervert. Or should that be "fellow pervert"? =========== From: SAAVIK To: KNIGHT OWL Subject: A.C.O.A. Date & Time: 02/26/91 13:12:05 Message Number 12817 Yes, I am the youngest. My sisters remember when my Dad was not drunk ALL the time. I can't remember him not drinking. When I was a pre-teen, I realized for the first time that NOT everybodies Father was a drunk. I used to follow him down to the bar and beg him not to go. It would make him mad, to say the least. Now I realize that he was mad because my begging made him feel guilty. He worked on job sites (like disney world) so he would be gone for weeks at a time. Sometimes, the paychecks never made it home. I used to hate him for making my mother suffer and struggle. =========== From: SAAVIK To: TIBERIUS Subject: How not to Date & Time: 02/26/91 13:15:27 Message Number 12818 Ah, "you wear your sunglasses at night........" "Go get yourself some cheap sunglasses......" =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Drums Date & Time: 02/26/91 16:49:44 Message Number 12822 Hey I used to play the drums, too. I had to sell my kit before I moved to Florida three and a half years ago. Bummer. I miss playing but I still practice on whatever is handy. I had a Pearl kit with Ludwig hardware, and Zildjian cymbals. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Plastic money Date & Time: 02/26/91 16:52:10 Message Number 12823 SA> Credit cards are the root of all evil.... No shit. I'm up to my ass in credit card bills. At a whoppy 20% interest. Citibank and others have not mercy. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Scandalized Date & Time: 02/26/91 16:54:33 Message Number 12824 Yep. Please don't log off, I enjoy our conversations. Besides I think it's cool to have a woman's opinion, which is desparately needed around here. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Barbara Dare Date & Time: 02/26/91 16:57:42 Message Number 12825 Yes, "fellow pervert." "I don't what do you care?" That was a typo, big time. It was suppose to read, "I know, what do you care?" In other words, what would you care if I thought Ginger Lynn was gorgeous? I mean, unless you were bi-sexual.(?) hehe (WIDE perverted smile) =========== From: GROUCHO To: TURTLE Subject: Give God agin Date & Time: 02/26/91 19:03:48 Message Number 12830 Turtle > Burning Bushes ..... I don't think so. Maybe not a burning bush, but if you were to write of an experience where you had the clap ..... what would a future generation think of the things you had written, when the "frame of reference" was gone. =========== From: GROUCHO To: SAAVIK Subject: Observations Date & Time: 02/26/91 19:11:26 Message Number 12831 In reading several of the messages to and from you, I was wondering whether you have ever watched little kids interacting. I see a much more "natural" series of interactions. Those that are not based on the stuff we are programmed with as we progress. Wouldn't it be nice if adults could act more like kids in this respect? Certainly there are enough childish adults ..... just read some of the messages here on Turtle's board ..... =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Drums Date & Time: 02/26/91 20:31:17 Message Number 12834 Zildjian cymbals!! The best. I like Ludwig too. I used to have a old black vinyl set of Ludwigs....OLD< OLD. I used to break more sticks hitting the rims.... I always wanted to learn the guitar but (sigh) I haven't the patience and it hurts my fingers!!!!! =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Plastic money Date & Time: 02/26/91 20:33:18 Message Number 12835 SS: Citibank and other have not mercy. None whatsoever!!! But Discovery card gives you $$$$ back. Wow, I got a whole 6 cents last year!!!!! =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Scandalized Date & Time: 02/26/91 20:34:39 Message Number 12836 Log off???? Me???? Not on your life, Darlin'. I love it here.... I'm in here twice a day, sometimes more! Without Alter Reality, my brain would turn to Mush!!!! Besides, I'd miss Turtle always being right. It keeps me in my place. =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Barbara Dare Date & Time: 02/26/91 20:36:37 Message Number 12837 Dear "Fellow Pervert". Saavik? Bi-Sexual? Not in this life time. I like men too much. And what do I care???? I think Ginger Lynn is sexy too. So is Barbara Dare..., but when I watch a porn flick, I'm not paying too much attention to the women, if ya know what I mean..... =========== From: SAAVIK To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: A.C.O.A. Date & Time: 02/26/91 20:38:45 Message Number 12838 I am sorry that your mother was so hard to deal with. Men need strong female (role molels? wrong word but you know what I mean) when they are young. The men I know that get along best with women are the ones who had good relationships with sisters and/or their mother. My father was too drunk to play mind games, thank god. He didn't just drink a little and get nasty...., he drank so much, he couldn't stand up. Every night..... same old thing. It was rotten but it would have been worse if he were a "mean drunk". Manipulation breeds mistrust, as you well know. But do you find that you are drawn to manipulating women because of it??? I've heard this l from other men. They didn't get along with their mothers, yet they ended up with women who were somehow like their moms. Same goes for women. =========== From: SAAVIK To: GROUCHO Subject: Observations Date & Time: 02/26/91 20:46:47 Message Number 12839 Yes, I have watched children interact. I have two little ones myself. They may be "natural" but children tend to think in the "me" mode. "What can this toy do for Me?" Sharing, for instance, is learned..... not natural. Thank the Gods that we are creatures who learn as we grow. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: Freindship Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:03:58 Message Number 12840 JB>Thing [think?] about how little a value you just put on a JB>friendship. All friendships are transitory. Period. Everybody you know, and that means EVERYBODY, is someday going to be only a memory. So, why bother? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: Book Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:05:52 Message Number 12841 Great! Maybe it'll give me an insight into what you may be thinking that *I'm* thinking. If Turtle goes for the idea, good...I'll pick it up after work whenever is convenient for him. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: GROUCHO Subject: Killer Instinct Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:08:11 Message Number 12842 Hello, homophobes are us... Way ta go, Groucho...you just pressed my button. Lemme set you straight on one thing before I continue...I am not a homophobe. This is not open for debate; don't bother to contest it. I do advocate personal freedom. If I didn't, I would be out actively campaigning to have homos put away for thier particular mental defect. If my tirades amuse you, then so be it...at least you won't "go off" with blathing nonsense about "They are people too (yes, but sick ones) You are a homophobe (more utter nonsense) or any of the other generic phrases that "enlightened" (meaning people who don't know what sick is) people routinely use at me. As for what type of upbringing, one that was strict. My familiy doesn't have a lot of emotional scenes, and "love" is acknowledged but not often discussed. I was told not to cry, which suits me anyway, because in school, it wasn't much of an asset. My father knows that homos are sick, most of the people I know believe the same way. (Not that my father had much of an influence on me, because he aslo hates blacks. I am pretty ambivalent.) Amusing enough? Fine. Don't bother to reply. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:19:28 Message Number 12843 SS>Just for the record, I skipped over all that /junk/ and I mean /junk/ T>if you didn't read it, you have no right to respond to it...or even T>to call it "junk". Nicely put! I also like the way you ignored the rest of his message. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: The Band Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:21:04 Message Number 12844 T>There was talk about starting a band...but it seems to have stalled. Well, I met the Lead Guitar...and I really feel like an ameteur next to this guy...he is GOOD. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Plastic money Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:22:38 Message Number 12845 T>I don't do credit cards. If I can't afford it now, I can't afford it. Ah, again...nicely put! I agree 100%; I follow the same rule. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:26:04 Message Number 12846 Ok, I understand a little better...but let me pose a question to you. Knowing that we cannot change the govnt, and if we did then we would be no better than Hussien, do you still want to see Hussein gone? If so, then we would have to restore the previous govnt and hope that they can by themselves get thier act together. The situation you described to me would be ideal, obviously. But It Ain't Gonna Happen in the near future. So, we have a choice...get rid of Hussien or not get rid of Hussien (the govnt restored not withstanding). Because obviously, the man has *got* to go. Now, liberating Kuwait on the way is a fringe benifit, obviously the people were not being treated as badly before as they are now. (It's a relative thing.) What do you tbink would have happened in the Arab world if Hussein were assassinated? Not in Iraq or Kuwait, what would have happened there is not what I was asking. What would have been the Arab's reaction? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: What does it Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:31:59 Message Number 12847 TS>Need some help? T>What are you doing Saturday morning? Helping a prospecive Femme Companion move. But JB already vetoed the idea. And I don't know Wratt anyway.... =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Plastic people Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:35:44 Message Number 12848 SS>Hugs, yes I know, a firm handshake and maybe a hand on the shoulder SS>what constitute a hug to you. Gimme a break. I just need my personal space...and I don't want to be touched, that's all. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Theragram Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:36:58 Message Number 12849 TS>Gimme a break... SS>Ok, hold out your neck. [Obligingly holds out neck...] SS>(Stole joke from the Specialist) SS>So he gets the credit for that joke.) Thank you! Finally I get credit...y'know, I actually *do* have a sense of humor. Well, I did, Scott borrowed it about a year and a half ago and I haven't seen it since.... =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:39:44 Message Number 12850 SS>you were just reiterating your position again. Which you and the SS>Specialist like to do....over and over gaihn. And once again we have to listen to you grouse about it...so once again I reply to you... Butt out. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Barbara Dare Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:41:03 Message Number 12851 T>[didn't look at the Playboy pictures] SS>Are your hormones working right? Must be. You heard what Beatle said, he's a real "babe magnet". =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: carbs Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:42:15 Message Number 12852 SS> I helped changed the engine out in his Dodge, you know. Yes, and you were very helpfull. Thank you. A lot. (Very helpful...critical! Couldn't have done it without him!!) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SAAVIK Subject: Jerks Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:45:27 Message Number 12854 S>I remember he had big muscles and a dark tan and a deep voice. Nope. Not the guy I know...though he already sounds like the exact image of a full breed asshole. Talks cocky and looks like an Adonis. I hate that kind of guy, because he's big enough to get away with it. Just burns me up.... =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SAAVIK Subject: Aardvarkians!! Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:47:40 Message Number 12855 Welcome. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SAAVIK Subject: Right! Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:48:08 Message Number 12856 S>I'd love to catch him just once. Ding. I have, though. He's dead wrong about homos. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SAAVIK Subject: Barbara Dare Date & Time: 02/26/91 21:48:54 Message Number 12857 S>Why shocked? Why suprised? Surely you don't watch porno flicks S>ALONE do you? ...(sly grin) Actually, I don't remember the last time I sat down and watched a porno flick, period. Which is not suprising, considering I've been takinga vacation from women in general since I broke up with my last girlfriend, and even then I didn't watch them, because she was religious. And even before then, I was taking a vacation (I tend to do this between girlfriends; that way I forget why I wanted to break up...) from the PREVIOUS girlfriend...so it's been QUITE a while since I saw one.... I guess my fav would be Hypatia Lee, though.... =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Carbs Date & Time: 02/26/91 22:52:28 Message Number 12861 T> ...say, you know anything about automatic trannies? Hers is starting T> to slip between second and third... Best thing to do in case it slips is try changing the fluid and replacin with fresh along with a can of AT conditioner which kinda coats the bands and makes 'em "stickier". Aside from that it's rebuild city - I CAN say stay the hell away from the bandits at AAMCO. =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: carbs Date & Time: 02/26/91 22:55:08 Message Number 12862 T> Well, hell. Here I go and say "Sure, c'mon over," and you nix it. Well shoot - it's just that I have always firmly believed (and had numerous proofs) that "too many hands spoil the ". I tend to stand back when the mechanical Rambo's of the world start charging in so I wouldn't be in the way long... 'course at that point I'm an innocent bystander and just watch. I guess I probably don't need Lori's book - we'll play it by ear (strange vision of a man with a carburetor jammed in ear blowing on air cleaner just wafted by my warped minds eye). See ya Saturday noonish. JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: carbs Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:01:01 Message Number 12863 SS> Hey, I have a sick '78 Chevette. Won't start, won't SS> run - want to take a look? Shoot the poor bastard and let it take it chances that it will return with a "Corv" on the name instead of "Chev". A transcendental resurrected recycled JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Barbara Dare Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:03:18 Message Number 12864 SA> Are is your hormones working right? Now wait a minnit! I'll admit that the babes are not that hard to look at (and they apparently don't mind) but if I pay the kind of money that Playboy asks - there had damned well better be some info under the covers besides paper fantasies. So what is the fascination with pictures of nude babes? I have nudes of most of my girlfriends that I took (being a photographer) but they actually mean something to me and are not up for public display and I seldom even drag them out. Secondary stimulation just don't get it for this kid - I wanna touch, talk, joke and share. A non-paper tiger JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: GROUCHO Subject: Observations Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:13:28 Message Number 12865 GR>Wouldn't it be nice if adults could act more like kids in this GR> respect? Anyone who believes in the fundamental goodness of man has never watched a child play... Mark Twain I'm with my hero and inspiration on this one. Absolutely noone can be as cruel and insensitive as a child. Read any good Piaget lately? Most of a childs interactions are a result of them externalizing their understanding of the world and thereby reinforcing those understandings. Trick is when the understandings are faulty as they are bound to be when treading on the new ground of interpersonal relationships. I'd rather try and relate to an old person that has finally realized that it just doesn't matter worth a damn in the long run. =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Freindship Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:20:11 Message Number 12866 TS> that means EVERYBODY, is someday going to be only a memory. So, TS> why bother? That's pretty heavy Dave. It actually has a grain of truth in it too but... when all things are relative you still end up with the hate of an enemy on one end of the scale and the love of a friend on the other and you assign a value to these realtionships - or have you just decided that you won't have any of those of any kind? If you have ever experienced the joy of a true friend it isn't something that you can cast off lightly. Of course - there isn't hardly a worse pain than a friendship betrayed either. I just went through one of those but - maybe we'll talk about it over a beer sometime. I still would not hesitate to do it again just for the years of joy that the friendship involved. A pained-but-alive JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: The Band Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:26:52 Message Number 12867 TS> Well, I met the Lead Guitar...and I really feel like an ameteur next TS> this guy...he is GOOD. Whose this? I sem to remember someone else that said he played lead but my memory is going... JonBoy on Toast =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: What does it Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:28:43 Message Number 12868 TS> But JB already vetoed the idea. And I don't know Wratt anyway.... Whoa hoss! I wouldn't call that a veto and I sure as heck ain't gonna say no. I merely made the observation that too many hands that are actually in the game can screw it up. So I pin your hand to Turtle's table with a phillips screwdriver for dropping the checkball to the accelerator pump. You'll get over it and blood dries to a lovely rusty color on the carpet... You could drop by to pick up the book and say howdy... JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Barbara Dare Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:33:58 Message Number 12869 TS> I was taking a vacation (I tend to do this between girlfriends; Huh - me too - I guess you just have to wait until a buildup of hormones finally overcomes your better sense! A cynical-JonBoy The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who don't possess it... George Bernard Shaw =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:42:55 Message Number 12870 >You were just reiterating your position, again. No, I was explaining why I have that position, what things led me to that conclusion, and under what circumstances I would change my position. If you didn't read the message, don't be responding to it like you know what you're talking about. =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Playboy Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:44:28 Message Number 12871 >Are your hormones working right? Well, I think they are...haven't had any complaints recently, anyway. So call me easily distracted...the articles distract me from the pics. (Like pictures of nude women are anything terribly special to begin with...) =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:46:04 Message Number 12872 >Like I said, over and over and over again. Yes, you DO keep saying it over and over and over again...and I bet you still haven't read what you're replying to. =========== From: TURTLE To: SCOTT STEEL Subject: carbs Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:46:59 Message Number 12873 Gods below, how many people who call A/R does it take to rebuild a carburetor?? =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Right! Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:50:48 Message Number 12874 >I'd love to catch him JUST ONCE. No doubt. *smirk* Well, it's been known to happen........... =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Bass Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:53:38 Message Number 12875 >Well, you played the bass drum, didn't ya???? Yak! Well, in a manner of speaking, I guess it's a bass, kinda, maybe...but it doesn't have strings. Neither does it deal too well with seaweed. >Why stalled? Styx broke? No, me broke. Me no can afford a drum kit of my own, and the person who owned one that I used no longer lives in the same city as I do. It's been years and years and years and years... =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Dr. Turtle??? Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:56:18 Message Number 12876 >Maybe they should call this board, eh? Get educated. "Calling Dr. >Turtle------The LOVE Broker." Oh, good. Just what I need. More ammunition for the malpractice suits-- and isn't that love broker bit illegal in this state? Yep, sounds like a great plan...we'll have the ol' reptile in prison yet. Nah, Social Darwinism works better... =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Aardvarkians!! Date & Time: 02/26/91 23:58:55 Message Number 12877 S>T>They (Aardvarks) do make a mean sandwich... That ought to be "They (Greeks) do make a mean sandwich..." Nope, never saw "Steel Magnolias." I make a point to steer away from anything that puts Meryl Streep and Shirley the Loon--er, Maclain in the same screen at the same time. Besides, it didn't have starships, people with large automatic weapons, swordplay, eccentric geniuses flooding college dorms with liquid nitrogen, or any of the other things that make a movie worth watching, so what's the point? =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Plastic money Date & Time: 02/27/91 00:04:24 Message Number 12878 >Oh, you sensible, responcible person, you. Stop that. I pride myself on being the paragon of irresponsibility. I'm certain The Specialist would be willing to attest to that point, if for no other reason than he loves picking out my character flaws, real and imagined. >I, too have seen the light. The Way of the Aardvark? >Credit cards are the root of all evil...... Jesse Helms is the root of all evil. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Playboy Date & Time: 02/27/91 00:08:58 Message Number 12879 Considering the caliber of the people who write for Playboy (Isaac Asimov, Harlan Ellison, Paul Thereaux, Arthur C. Clarke), anyone who buys Playboy and /doesn't/ read it ought to be executed or at least branded a Philistine and sent to live in exile in Plains, Georgia. =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Scandalized Date & Time: 02/27/91 00:11:35 Message Number 12880 >The only difference I can come up with is that when men flirt it's >up to them to take it the step further. Since when?? It's been my experience that women are just as capable as men at "taking it the step further"--you mean you always expect that to be the /man's/ job?? It takes two to tango, and either one can lead... =========== From: TURTLE To: GROUCHO Subject: Give God agin Date & Time: 02/27/91 00:17:01 Message Number 12881 >...what would a future generation think of the things you had >written, when the "frame of reference" was gone. That one ought to get you, oh, five or six years in Purgatory... :) =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Scandalized Date & Time: 02/27/91 00:24:25 Message Number 12882 >Besides, I'd miss Turtle always being right. It keeps me in my >place. *snort* =========== From: TURTLE To: SAAVIK Subject: Men & Women Date & Time: 02/27/91 00:27:59 Message Number 12883 >The men I know who get along best with women had the best >relationships with a sister and/or mother... Not me...I got along with dear old Mom but Sis and I hate one another with a bloody passion. (I've broken her nose twice...) Like any other learned skill, the ability to get along well with women does not /have/ to be learned at home. Slippery beasts, human beings. Always violating generalities. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Friendship Date & Time: 02/27/91 00:31:00 Message Number 12884 >So, why bother? Because it's still one of the most satisfying things you can possibly do? I used to be in hostile-aloof mode, but I am pretty damn glad I changed. Sure, friendships aren't permanent fixtures...but then again, neither is anything else. What's your point? =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Plastic money Date & Time: 02/27/91 00:33:39 Message Number 12885 >I agree 100%; I follow the same rule. AAAAIIIGGGHHH!!!! This is happening far, far too frequently lately. You noticed that? =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Date & Time: 02/27/91 00:35:23 Message Number 12886 >What do you tbink would have happened in the Arab world if >Hussein were assassinated? Little that hasn't happened by the presence of a large U.S. military force in the region to begin with. Either way, some of the extremists are gonna be upset. I think in the long run a simple assassination would be LESS irritating than the continual presence of U.S. troops, even for a brief while; after all, it wouldn't make for thousands of grieving Iraquis with /personal/ vendettas against the good ol' U.S. of A. Given the choice, I would still like to see Hussein go bye-bye. I will say, though, I am happy the allied forces have been doing as well as they have, and with as few casualties on the friendly side. If you ARE going to pull a full-scale military action, might as well do it right. While I don't agree with a lot fo the actions we've been taking in that area of the world, I've been highly impressed with the way we've been taking them. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Personal space Date & Time: 02/27/91 00:42:17 Message Number 12887 >I just need my personal space...and I don't want to be touched, that's >all. I know where that one's coming from; I used to deck people who touched me. Not any more, though--it's more fun sharing personal space (at least with members of the opposite sex). More intimate than sex with fewer problems. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Date & Time: 02/27/91 00:46:56 Message Number 12888 >...so once again I reply to you... > >Butt out. Nicely said. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Right! Date & Time: 02/27/91 00:50:50 Message Number 12889 >I have, though. He's dead wrong about homos. *snort* Dead wrong about what, not caring who they're sleeping with? =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: carbs Date & Time: 02/27/91 00:53:43 Message Number 12891 >...we'll play it by ear. I have the thingie whatsit that came with the rebuild kit, but I think it's in French and Japanese. You read Japanese? =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Playboy & You Date & Time: 02/27/91 00:57:31 Message Number 12892 >So what is the fascination with pictures of nude babes? I know several artists who have what might be called a "professional interest;" ditto for a couple of exotic dancers I know. Other than that, I dunno. Frustration, mebbe? =========== From: TURTLE To: ALL Subject: Let's Party! Date & Time: 02/27/91 01:02:15 Message Number 12893 FURRY PARTY F U R R Y P A R T Y F U R R Y P A R T Y ------------------------------- WHEN: Saturday, March 23rd, 1991. WHERE: Turtle's apartment, 1895 Shadowood, on US 301 by the airport. WHY: To kill two birds with one stone (to celebrate the occasion of Turtle's birth, and to remedy the fact that it's been several months since the last A/R Florida Furry Party). WHAT: The usual--animation, conversation, juggling foxes, mayhem, noise, rutabaga sacrifice, synchronized jumping...and hopefully nobody's windows get shot out. WHO: Any sapient being posessed of sufficient intelligence to be able to use a language to communicate the idea that he, she, or it is there voluntarily. The coercion committee will be rounding up the guests of honor this time around. Need further information? Drop a message. This furry party will probably start at about 5 PM Saturday and end at 6 PM Sunday, or until the police arrive, whichever shall be earlier. Mountain Dew cheerfully provided. May the Aardvark of Happiness lick your toes. (c) 1990 Anarchy Now, Inc. An Anarchy Now, Inc. production. No warranties expressed or implied. =========== From: KNIGHT OWL To: SAAVIK Subject: A.C.O.A. Date & Time: 02/27/91 01:30:19 Message Number 12894 S> I cannot remember him not drinking. I didn't 'know' my dad straight either. I didn't learn 'til my early teens that our family wasn't no That and the my health didn't mix too well. My parents used to go to 'Tim's bar, making my sister & I wait in the car. Surprisingly, there were no accidents or DUI convictions at all. The paychecks always made it home and we were well cared for ('cept for the booze). Despite the alcoholism, My fathe cared about our welfare (food, clothes, etc.). Knowing now, what you've told me; I feel quite fortunate. SEE YA! Knight Owl =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Drums Date & Time: 02/27/91 03:29:32 Message Number 12896 Yeah, I went through sticks like they were going out of style. I even broke a cymbal once, a thin Zildjian crash. I'm presently taking lessons on the guitar from the Specialist, who, I might add, is an excellent guitar player. He just won't admitted it. Do you have a set now? =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Plastic money Date & Time: 02/27/91 03:31:45 Message Number 12897 Aaaawwwkkk, 6 cents! That's ridiculous. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Scandalized Date & Time: 02/27/91 03:32:40 Message Number 12898 Yeah, I log on twice a day too. That way I can keep up with the messages. Hell, I logged on at 4:30 this afternoon and when I logged back on now (3:32 am) I had sixty new messages to read. I don't even want to think what I would face if I logged on once a day. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: Barbara Dare Date & Time: 02/27/91 03:35:01 Message Number 12899 Yeah, I don't pay a whole lot of attention to the guys either...if ya know what I mean...Yes, Barbara Dare is sexy, but not as sexy as Ginger. =========== From: SCOTT STEEL To: SAAVIK Subject: A.C.O.A. Date & Time: 02/27/91 03:37:00 Message Number 12900 Well, not at the outset. I mean I don't ask a girl if she's manipulative. But I'd say about fifty percent of past girlfriend have been. I won't say what I've done to change that. hehehehe ===========