From: pyro@yabbs
To: all@yabbs
Subject: The World...
Date: Sat Nov  6 03:08:43 1993
Let me just make a few opoints clear.  I have been a member of the hack 
community for about 10 years now.  I look back on such systems as Metal 
Shop Private, Speed Demon Elite, Atlantis, Safehouse, etc, etc, etc...  
with mucu nostalgia.  But times have changed, and people have to realize 
that.  There will never be anything like the old days.  They are gone.  
Thats like saying you can bring back the 60's in todays world.  It cannot 
be done.  We are in a world where 100 times more people use computers and 
an electronic medium to communicate than in days past.  because of this 
explosion in use steps must be taken to protect the few sites remaining to 
the masses at absotely no charge.

Offering to give out hacked accounts to any schmo who would simply ask for 
them is ludicrous.  It is a very good way to get one of these few precisou 
open forums that exist free of charge, namely this one, removed for good.  
Common sense is a trait that was alive back then, but seems to be dying 
these days.  We did not simply log on to a public BBS back in the early 
80's and say "Hey d00ds, I got accounts, mail me for some" and we should 
not start doing that today.

This BBS could be used as a learning place for those who would like to 
understand the hack community, but its public nature will always prevent 
it from being a place to learn serious hacking information.  The levels of 
intelligence are too far spread out.  Only private, limited access systems 
will promote the distribution of illicit facts and figures.

The bottom line is very simple, but I will repeat it again.  This BBS is a 
great place to learn about the hack community, but do not be fooled in to 
thinking it is a forum for learning how to hack.  You want to learn the 
how part of it all?  I have one sure fre answer to help you out:  START RE
READING.

I run a totally open and public BBS such as this, and I have a philosophy 
that I am sorry to say is coming true:  SPOON FEEDING.

If you truly aspire to learn anything and to retain and build upon such 
knowledge you must take the initiative and learn it your self, you cannot 
expect people to spoon feed you everything you need to know.

Xenon:  I think you need to spot thinking of it all as some political 
crusade against the, as the kiddies here in 612 put it, Evil Pig Empire.
And everyone must realize that there will be no revival, there will be no 
return to the old days.  They are gone.  You cannot simply compare today 
with the past.  The situations are totally different.

I just like Phred, and I would love to see it stay up and grow.  Htoaster 
has put too much time in to it to have it degenerate in to some spoon feed 
session on hacking...  Read back a few hundred messages, he said this.

I must also say there is nothing wrong with serious discussion on software 
design or problems.  This type of discourse enlightens those intelligent 
enough to follow it.  Anyway, this is a long post.  And I am sure some 
people will whole heartedly disagree with me.  Fine, it is your right to 
do so.  Just do it intelligently.

-The Pyro