From: xenon@yabbs To: xela@yabbs Subject: re: help and newbies Date: Tue Nov 16 22:21:55 1993 I have no problem what-so-ever with helping newbies out...hell, I've been trippin da cyberspace fantastic fer 6 yrs and still consider myself a newbie...theres a shitload of information ta read up on out there...my problem is when sumone thinkin they're gods gift to hackers puts up sum bullshit post askin fer stupid shit. those are the people i tell ta read...read about the past and present ta gain an understandin about da hacker world in general. i am willing to answer questions to da best of my ability. even if it is a "simple" question. its da "stupid" ones i tend ta ignore. fer example, if sumone asks fer help understand how a PBX works and how it can be used, thats ok, but if sumone jus asks fer numbers and passwords, that tells me that theyre not interested in learnin much x-cept how ta make a few free LD calls and mebbe show-off to their friends... tellin sumone HOW a sysem works does not go against my principals, but givin people a free ride ta abuse a system is. my view of a hacker is sumone who wants ta learn the ins and outs of a system not jus how ta use it fer selfish reasons. there are 2 main tools ta this learnin...1) reading. ya gotta read up on yer system. do research on it , learn the basic principals behind how it works so you can move on to the next step: 2) hands on experiance. this is of equal importance as the first step. ya GOTTA play around on a system...find new and interesting ways ta use the system...use that x-periance to teach others and apply it to da next system ya encounter. behind all this learnin, tho, ya gotta have a personal drivin force. the posts i see on here that irk me are the ones by lost people, (no specific goal in mind other than sheer abuse), who are jus lookin fer a free ride. those are the people i tell ta read...read up on the past and apply that x-periance to form sum sort of personal goal...THEN start askin questions and work toward that goal... --> Xenon