From: pyro@yabbs
To: horus@yabbs
Subject: re: whine whine whine
Date: Sun Dec  5 20:39:41 1993
My whole point is simple:  I am willing to help people who wish to leran 
something if, and only if, they are up to the challenge of puutting as 
much or more effort in to learning that I am putting in helping.  I am not 
going to sit here and tell me exactly how to do things, thats not the 
point.  How can anyone expect to learn something by being spoonfed?  

Lets look back.  This whole topic started because some stupid, ignorant 
little fools were posting shit about needing accounts and how they could 
easily hack them.  I responded with a long post about the problems with 
asking for such idiot information on a public BBS and that hacking 
accounts is tupid and inconsequential compared to real hacking.  

Then a bunch of stupid fucks started babbling about how people like me 
were holding back some stupid ideas of "the old days" of open sharing and 
learning.  I am sorry, people who asked such questions back then were 
flamed as they are now.

Cosmos then joined in with some excellent posts on the differences between 
today and 10 years ago and how stupid little kiddies can think they will 
learn oh so much in 1 week what took many people to learn in many years.

If anyone honestly thiks they are going to get some real hacking info from 
theis subboard on a large public BBS they are wrong.  It will not happen.  
No one in their right mind who knows anything worth knowing is not going 
to go off and explain in detail anything to anyone here.  Wait, thats a 
double negative.  Sorry.  Anyone who knows anything is NOT going to spit 
it out for all the people of the world to read.  That is ludicrous.

Ideas and discussion are great, but for people to sit here and TEACH 
people how to hack is just plain stupid.  Thats a fact, deal with it.

If someone were to ask me a very informed question about somehting they 
have worked on for quite a while I would answer it.  But before you aks a 
question people should think to themselves: "Do I know what I am talking 
about?  Have I exhausted the resources I have available to me on a 
personal level?  Have I read up on this subject?  Can I read more?  Is my 
question informed enough so that those who would answer it are able to 
withoout getting confused by it?"  and may more.

Hacking is NOT just getting accounts and using a system.  It goes way 
beyond that, and anyone who truly likes hacking and takes it seriously 
realizes that it is an intense passion for security and how it works.    
And not just security, but the system in general.  Accounts are a dime a 
dozen.  Any idiot can get accounts.

So, all of you people who would wish to know more.  When you have a 
uquestion ask yourself this one simple one first:  "Have I even tried 
reading some man pages on this subject yet?"  If you answer no to that, 
then you really shoud find a new hobby.  And the man pages are just the 
first of many places to find information.

And last of all:  BE PATIENT.  Nothing comes up and smacks you in the ass. 
 You have to spend a lot of time on it.  If you really have no tother 
interest in anything in the data world than hacking you really should give 
up now.  You need to be informed of the larger data world.

I could go on for a few hundred more lines, but I won't (I would not want 
to subject you to anymore of my many typos).

So, remeber, if anyone wishes to ask questions of those who may know the 
answer or provide some insight on where to find the answer please take the 
time and effort to atleast try and solve it yourself or be informed as to 
the nature of the question.  Its simple, but its not easy.

-The Pyro.