From: alarm@yabbs To: Cat@yabbs Subject: re: good and evil Date: Mon Jul 25 15:26:38 1994 You said, >i was thinking :) and it seems to me that you cannot have god at all >without having satan... You are correct when we think of it in psychological terms; the contrast of evil helps us to see that good is good. But this is not a necessary contrast as your argument supposes. Since the world is full of "evil" or bad or whatever you want to call it, we cannot psychologically understand good without it. But what it the world was something like it says it was in the Bible. The sin that Adam and Eve committed had to do with this very contrast. They thought that they would be like God, knowing good and evil. The Bible sets a picture for us of the possibility of a world without evil and without satan (before satan became evil he was an angel, i.e. good; according to the Bible). The argument is that sin caused them to have this psychological necessity thrust upon them and us. It is not a logical necessity. Anselm, a twelfth century monk (I think), or maybe 11th, said that God was the only logically necessary being. It is called the ontological argument for the existence of God. A very interesting argument, even in it's primitive form. -alarm.