From: pixy@yabbs To: badger01@yabbs Subject: re: whoopteedoo Date: Wed Jul 27 03:05:36 1994 it would be "HOC SIGNO VINCES" since an ablative of means in latin doesn't require a prepostion. But if i had been Constantine, and someone told me, "HOC SIGNO VINCES", I would've surely replied, "VIR ES ALTO AUT QUID?"--"Are you high or something, man?"